Pursuant to a Public Information Act request, below is the November 2, 2022 Internal Legal Memorandum on the “Special Audit – Charter Section 213 – Howard County Library System” from County Solicitor Gary Kuc to County Auditor Craig Glendenning.
Howard County Auditor’s Reports of the Investigation of the HCLS
Since being first posted on February 14, 2023, there have been at least two updates and repostings of the County Auditor’s investigation of the Howard County Library System.
The Original February 14, 2023 (retrieved pursuant to a Public Information Act request), the February 22 and February 24, 2023 versions are here.
ORIGINAL FEBRUARY 14, 2023 VERSION
UPDATED FEBRUARY 22, 2023 VERSION
UPDATED FEBRUARY 24, 2023 VERSION
COLUMBIA VILLAGE BOARDS IN GENERAL AND HARPER’S CHOICE IN PARTICULAR DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THEIR COLUMBIA COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES
I am member of the Board of Directors of the Harper’s Choice Community Association. The views expressed are my own.
I am also a graduate of the Syracuse University College of Law and a member of the bar in Pennsylvania.
I have not, and will not support the removal of the Columbia Council Representative by the Board because the Board lacks authority to remove an individual elected by the members of the community association. To allow such removal in Harper’s Choice, or the other villages, would have the Columbia Council Representative serve at the pleasure of the respective Boards.
The reasoning is stated in more detail as follows:
1. The Harper’s Choice Community Association Articles of Incorporation THIRD 3 provides in part that members of Harper’s Choice will be represented “on the Columbia Council, an unincorporated association, the membership of which will be composed of representatives of various associations in Columbia which have been approved by [the Columbia Association], said Council, in turn, being entitled to nominate from among its membership, persons to be elected and serve on the Board of Directors of [Columbia Association], all as provided in the Articles of Incorporation of [Columbia Association];”
2. The Columbia Council as an unincorporated association apparently has no written rules of organization or procedure;
3. The Columbia Council for many recent years has had only one pro forma meeting each May as part of the organization of the new Columbia Association Board of Directors;
4. The Columbia Council meeting each year generally consists solely of selecting a chair and vice chair and approving the minutes of the meeting from the previous year which generally was limited to also selecting a chair and vice chair and approving the minutes of the meeting from the respective previous year;
5. It is hypothetically possible that the Columbia Council could meet at any time other than the pro forma annual meeting in May;
6. The Harper’s Choice Columbia Council Representative would represent the members of the Harpers’s Choice Community Association at any meeting of the Columbia Council;
7. The representation of the Harper’s Choice Columbia Council Representative at any meetings of the Columbia Council is independent of whether or not he/she participates as an ex officio member of the Harper’s Choice Board of Directors;
8. The Columbia Association Charter SEVENTH (3) states that the Columbia Association members SHALL appoint each Columbia Council Representative for each Incorporated Association to the Columbia Association Board;
9. The Columbia Association By-Laws Section 2.03 states that the Columbia Association members SHALL appoint each Columbia Council Representative for each Incorporated Association to the Columbia Association Board;;
10. For the Columbia Association Board to remove an Incorporated Association’s Columbia Council Representative for any reason or no reason would essentially make any Columbia Council Representative serve at the pleasure of the Columbia Association Board;
11. When the Columbia Association Board removes the Columbia Council Representative from any Incorporated Association, it deprives the members of that Incorporated Association from representation on the Columbia Association Board of Directors;
12. The Harper’s Choice Community Association Board Members, as evidenced by the Acknowledgment of Fiduciary Responsibility which was required to be signed by Columbia Association, owe their duty to the Harper’s Choice Community Association and not to any other entity;
13. The Columbia Association Charter SEVENTH (3) recognizes that the charter and by-laws of an Incorporated Association may have procedures to remove or recall their Columbia Council Representative;
14. The Columbia Association Charter SEVENTH (3) recognizes that the recall or removal of a Columbia Council Representative is a condition precedent to the actions of the Columbia Association Board;
15. The Columbia Association Charter SEVENTH (3) recognizes that the authority to recall or remove a Columbia Council Representative rests with members of the Incorporated Association and not with its respective Board of Directors;
16. The Columbia Association By-Laws Section 2.03 recognizes that the charter and by-laws of an Incorporated Association may have procedures to remove or recall their Columbia Council Representative;
17. The Columbia Association By-Laws Section 2.03 recognizes that the recall or removal of a Columbia Council Representative is a condition precedent to the actions of the Columbia Association Board;
18. The Columbia Association By-Laws Section 2.03 recognizes that the authority to recall or remove a Columbia Council Representative rests with the members of the Incorporated Association and not with its Board of Directors;
19. The Long Reach Community Association is an Incorporated Association with procedures in its Articles of Incorporation found in SEVENTH E and F and NINTH 9 for the removal of its Columbia Council Representative;
20. The Long Reach Community Association is an Incorporated Association with procedures found in its By-Laws Sections 1.07A and 1.07B for the removal of its Columbia Council Representative;
21. The authority granted in the Long Reach Articles of Incorporation SEVENTH E and F and NINTH 9 and Long Reach By-Laws Sections 1.07A and 1.07B to remove the Long Reach Columbia Council Representative rests with the members of the Association and not the Board of Directors;
22. The Town Center Community Association is an Incorporated Association with procedures found in its By-Laws Section 4.04 for the removal of its Columbia Council Representative;
23. The authority in the Town Center Community Association By-Laws Section 4.04 to remove its Columbia Association Representative is granted to its members and not its Board of Directors;
24. The Long Reach Community Association Articles of Incorporation NINTH 9 has a procedure for its Board of Directors to remove the Columbia Council Representative as ex officio member of the Association’s Board of Directors;
25. The removal of the Long Reach Community Association Columbia Council Representative “from the Board as an ex officio member does not operate as removal of that person as representative to the Columbia Council.” LRCA Articles of Incorporation NINTH 9.
26. The Long Reach Community Association By-Laws Section 2.11 authorizes its Board of Directors to remove a Board Member and the Columbia Council Representative from the Board of Directors for exceeding the permitted absence from meetings;
27. Unlike those of Long Reach, the Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 2.03B only authorizes its Board of Directors to remove Board Members for non-attendance of meetings and does not include non-attendance by the Columbia Council Representative;
28. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 2.03A grants to its members at a duly called meeting to remove any Director or Directors from office and elect any successor or successors;
29. Unlike those of Long Reach and Town Center, the By-Laws of the Harper’s Choice Community Association does not grant its members the authority to recall or remove its Columbia Council Representative;
30. Unlike those of Long Reach, the Articles of Incorporation of the Harper’s Choice Community Association does not grant its members the authority to recall or remove its Columbia Council Representative;
31. Unlike those of Long Reach, the Articles of Incorporation of the Harper’s Choice Community Association does not grant its Board of Directors the authority to remove the Columbia Council Representative as ex officio member of the Board of Directors;
32. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.02 provide that the Village Manager serves as an officer as Treasurer and Secretary and may sign bonds, contracts, or other instruments except when this authority has been expressly delegated to another officer or agent of the Association;
33. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.02 provides that the Village Manager serves as the pleasure of the Board of Directors;
34. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.01 provides that the Board of Directors shall elect a Chair and Vice Chair from among the Board of Directors;
35. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.03 provides that the Board of Directors may choose one or more assistant managers, one or more assistant secretaries, and one or more assistant treasurers, none of whom need be a Director;
36. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.05 states that “The Board of Directors may from time to time appoint such subordinate officers as it may deem desirable. Each such officer shall hold office for such period and perform such duties as the Board of Directors or the Manager may prescribe. The Board of Directors may, from time to time, authorize any committee or officer to appoint and remove subordinate officers and prescribe the duties thereof;”
37. The Harper’s Choice Community Association By-Laws Section 4.07 authorizes the Board of Directors to remove any of the aforementioned officers or agents of the Association;
38. Any officer who is also member of the Board of Director whose position of officer may be removed by the majority of the Board of Directors will continue as a Board Member but not as an officer;
39. The Board of Directors can only remove officers and agents which it has power to appoint or those subordinate officers as provided in Section 4.05;
40. Harper’s Choice Community Association Articles of Incorporation Article Ninth 4 recognizes that “director or officer of the Association” or “member of the Columbia Council” are 3 separate positions.
41. The Columbia Council Representative is neither an officer nor agent of the Association as provided in Section 4.07 of the By-Laws;
42. The Columbia Council Representative is elected by the members of the Association;
43. Section 4.07 of the Long Reach By-Laws is identical to the provision in the Harper’s Choice By-Laws;
44. To allow the Long Reach Board of Directors to remove its Board Members or Columbia Council Representative under Section 4.07 would render the specific, numerous other detailed provisions regarding removal of the Board Members or Columbia Council Representative in the Long Reach Articles of Incorporation and By-Laws superfluous;
45. Section 4.07 of the Town Center By-Laws is identical to the provision in the Harper’s Choice By-Laws;
46. To allow the Town Center Board of Directors to remove its Columbia Council Representative under Section 4.07 would render the specific removal provision for the Columbia Council Representative in Section 4.04 of the Town Center By-Laws superfluous; and
47. To permit the Harper’s Choice Community Association Board of Directors to remove the Columbia Council Representative for any reason or no reason would usurp the powers of the members of the Association and essentially have the Columbia Council Representative serving at the pleasure of the Board of Directors as in the case of the Village Manager.
RELEVANT PROVISIONS OF ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND BY-LAWS
Columbia Association Charter
(3) It is anticipated that as the Property is developed, incorporated community or neighborhood associations for the promotion of the welfare of residents of particular sections of the Property will be formed(each an “Incorporated Association”). Each such Incorporated Association, which shall meet the standards of organization and membership prescribed by the Board of Directors of this Corporation, shall have the right to elect one of the members thereof to a council, to be known as the Columbia Council, which shall be an unincorporated advisory group whose function shall be to consider and make recommendations to the Incorporated Associations for the benefit and welfare of the Property and the residents thereof. At the Corporation’s annual meeting, the members of the Corporation then in office shall elect each Columbia Council Representative as a. director and member of the Corporation. In no event shall members and directors so elected number more than the number of Incorporated Associations having the right to elect a Columbia Council Representative as hereinbefore provided, nor shall the total number of votes entitled to be cast by such members and directors at any time exceed the number of such Incorporated Associations then having the right to elect a representative to the Columbia Council. Each member and director so elected shall serve as such until the end of his/her term as Columbia Council Representative or until his or her successor is duly elected and qualifies,whichever is later. If the members of any Incorporated Association remove or recall their Columbia Council Representative through a procedure authorized by the charter and by-laws of the Incorporated Association, the members of this Corporation shall remove such former Columbia Council Representative from office as a member and director of this Corporation, as provided in the by-laws. In the event of the death, resignation or removal pursuant to the by-laws of a member and director, the remaining members of this Corporation, although less than a quorum, shall elect as his or her successor the nominee submitted by the Board of Directors of the Incorporated Association from which such former member and director was elected. Any successor member and director so elected shall serve for the remainder of the term of the former member and director or until his or her successor is duly elected and qualifies. CA Charter SEVENTH.
Section 2.03. Election and Removal of Directors. At the annual meeting of members in 1983 and at each annual meeting thereafter, the members entitled to vote thereon shall elect directors as provided in the charter, to hold office for the term provided in the charter or until their successors are elected and qualify. At any meeting of members, duly called and at which a quorum is present, the members may, by the affirmative vote of the holders of two-thirds (2/3) of the votes entitled to be cast thereat, remove any director or directors from office. If the members of any Incorporated Association remove or recall their Columbia Council Representative through a procedure authorized by the charter and by-laws of the Incorporated Association, the members of this Corporation shall remove such Columbia Council Representative from office as a director of this Corporation. CA By-Laws 2.03.
Columbia Association By-Laws
Section 2.04. Vacancies. In the event of death, resignation or removal pursuant to Section 2.03 hereof of a director who is a Columbia Council Representative, the members of the Corporation shall elect as his or her successor the nominee submitted by the Board of Directors of the Incorporated Association from which such former director was elected. For the purpose of filling a vacancy on the Board of Directors, a majority of the votes cast by the remaining members of the Corporation entitled to vote thereon, although less than a quorum, shall be sufficient as provided in the charter. A director elected to fill a vacancy shall hold office for the remainder of the term of the former director or until his or her successor is elected and qualifies, whichever occurs later. CA By-Laws 2.04.
Long Reach Articles of Incorporation
(iii) that members unable to attend a meeting at which Directors or a Columbia Council representative are to be elected or removed shall be entitled to file a written vote under absentee balloting regulation provided in the By-Laws; and (iv) agencies or instrumentalities of the Federal Government, if otherwise entitled to vote, may vote by written proxy.
F. On any matter submitted to the members for vote, other than the election of Directors or the election of a representative to the Columbia Council or the removal of a Director or Columbia Council Representative, any member entitled to vote may cast a vote without attending the meeting in question by either of the following procedures, at his election LRCA SEVENTH
At any meeting of the members duly called and at which a quorum is present, the member may, by an affirmative vote of a majority of the votes cast, remove the Columbia Council representative from that office. If the representative is removed from office pursuant to this procedure, the Board of Directors shall nominate a successor for approval by the Columbia Council. LRCA NINTH 9.
The Columbia Council representative may be removed as ex officio member of the Association’s Board of Directors through procedures authorized by the By-Laws of the Association. Removal of the Columbia Council representative from the Board as an ex officio member does not operate as removal of that person as representative to the Columbia Council. LRCA NINTH 9.
Long Reach By-Laws
(ii) that members unable to attend a meeting at which Directors of the Association are to be elected or at which a representative to the Columbia Council is to be elected, or a meeting to vote on the removal of a Director or Columbia Council Representative, shall be entitled to file a written vote under the procedure set forth in this Section 1.07A; LRCA By-Laws 1.07A
SECTION 1.07B. On any matter submitted to the members for vote, other than the election of Directors or the election of a representative to the Columbia Council, or removal of a Director or the Columbia Council Representative, any member entitled to vote may cast a vote without attending the meeting in question by either of the following procedures, at his election: LRCA By-Laws 1.07B
At any meeting of members duly called and at which a quorum is present, the members may, by the affirmative vote of the members entitled to cast the majority of votes thereon, remove any directors or the Columbia Council Representative from office and may elect a successor or successors to fill any resulting vacancies for the unexpired terms of removed directors. If the Columbia Council Representative is removed, the Board of Directors shall nominate a successor to the Columbia Council. LRCA By-Laws 2.03
Absence by the Long Reach representative to the Columbia Council from four (4) consecutive scheduled Board of Directors meetings or from six (6) scheduled Board of Directors meetings during the 12-month period following the most recent Village election shall constitute grounds for immediate removal of that representative as an ex officio director and shall require the institution of removal proceedings in the manner described in this section. LRCA By-Laws 2.11.
When the number of absences accumulated by a director or the Columbia Council representative exceeds the number of absences permitted by this section, the director or the Columbia Council representative shall be notified in writing of a failure to comply with the attendance requirements of this section, and directed to show cause within ten days, or whatever time may be
established by the remaining directors, why the director or the Columbia Council representative should not be removed from the office of director. LRCA By-Laws 2.11.
The director or the Columbia Council representative shall be removed upon:
(a) failure to submit a written response or request a hearing; or
(b) a determination by the remaining directors after consideration of the written response or after a hearing if one is requested.
No action of the members of the Association shall be required. The Board’s determination shall be made no later than ten days from the close of the hearing or from the date the director’s or the Columbia Council representative’s written response was received at the Village Office. A quorum for such a determination shall be one less than the normal quorum required for the conduct of business before the Board of Directors, except in the proposed removal of the Columbia Council representative. LRCA By-Laws 2.11.
SECTION 4.04. Columbia Council Representative. The member elected as representative on the Columbia Council shall perform those functions, and shall have those powers, specified in the Charter of the Association and the Charter of The Columbia Park and Recreation Association, Inc. LRCA By-Laws 4.04.
Town Center By-Laws
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Harper’s Choice By-Laws
At any meeting of members, duly called and at which a quorum is present the members may, by the affirmative vote of the members entitled to cast the majority of votes thereon, remove any Director or Directors from office and may elect a successor or successors to fill any resulting vacancies for the unexpired terms of removed Directors. HCCA By-Laws 2.03A
(iv) A Director who has been notified and directed to show cause under these provisions shall not vote on matter before the Board of Directors until he or she is reinstated to full voting membership, either by a determination of the Board of Directors that he or she has shown sufficient cause for retention of the Board, or by the Board’s failure to act. However, the Director may, pending determination of the removal proceedings, attend meetings and exercise any other powers or perquisites of the office. No action of the Board of Directors shall be rendered invalid by reason of the Board of Directors’ failure to comply with the provisions of this section. HCCA By-Laws 2.03B
SECTION 2.04. Vacancies. Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors for any cause other than by reason of an increase in the number of Directors may be filled by a majority of the remaining members of the Board of Directors, although such majority is less than a quorum. Any vacancy occurring by reason of an increase in the number of Directors may be filled by an action of a majority of the entire Board of Directors. A director selected by the Board of Directors to fill a vacancy shall hold office, the term of which will be determined by the Board of Directors prior to the selection, but which may be for no more than a full two-year term, until the next annual meeting of members, or until his or her successor is elected and qualified, with the exception of the student member who can be replaced, only by another student, by the Board of Directors. HCCA By-Laws 2.04
SECTION 4.04. Columbia Council Representative. The member elected as representative on the Columbia Council shall perform those functions, and shall have those powers, specified in the Charter of the Association and the Charter of the Columbia Parks and Recreation Association, Inc. If the representative on the Columbia Council shall vacate his office prior to expiration of the term for which he was elected, then a special meeting of members, which shall be called promptly after such vacancy occurs, the members shall elect a successor to hold office until the next succeeding annual meeting, or until his successor is elected and qualifies. Alternatively, the Board of Directors may, at its discretion appoint a member to serve as representative until the next succeeding annual meeting or until his successor is elected and qualified. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary set forth herein, if after the date for which nominations for the Representative to the Columbia Council is closed, there is not more than one nominee for such position, the nominee shall be deemed to have been elected by the members and the Board of Directors shall appoint such nominees to the position of Representative to the Columbia Council for the term provided for in Article 9, Section 9 of the Association’s Articles of Incorporation. HCCA By-Laws 4.04
SECTION 4.07. Removal. Any officer or agent of the Association may be removed by the Board of Directors whenever, in its judgment, the best interests of the Association will be served thereby. HCCA By-Laws 4.07
COUNCILMEMBER DAVID YUNGMANN’S LETTER TO NEWLY REDISTRICTED VOTERS OF DISTRICT 5 WAS CAMPAIGN MATERIAL ON THE TAXPAYERS’ DIME AND WAS UNETHICAL, UNLAWFUL, AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Joel Hurewitz
Councilmember David Yungmann is the current Howard County Councilmember representing District 5 and was a candidate for reelection at the General Election to be held November 8, 2022. Sometime around the end of September and first week in October, District 5 Councilmember David Yungmann sent 1409 letters to residents who currently reside in Councilmanic District 1 but to be redistricted to District 5. The totality of the facts and circumstances demonstrate that the overall content, tone, and timing of these letters amounted to campaign material at taxpayer expense. Moreover, the letters violated the Howard County Public Ethics Law and prohibitions on officials and staff conducting political activities while working for the county, and they also violated the First and Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The Council Administrator reported the estimated cost to print and mail these letters totaled $1654.87, including 16 hours–two full workdays of staff time. Figure 1. Thus, while Candidate David Yungmann and his campaign surrogates make numerous personal attacks about his opponent’s ethics, Councilmember David Yungmann and his official staff violated several provisions of the law causing irreparable damage to her campaign and the constitutional rights of her supporters.
Figure 1 – Cost for District 5 Letter, Provided by Council Administrator, Michelle R. Harrod, pursuant to a Public Information Act request.
Councilmember David Yungmann’s “Welcome” Letter
The Howard County Council has had a long-standing policy to send welcome letters to new residents based upon the tax records provided by the State Department of Assessments and Taxation (SDAT).1 As a result of redistricting after the 2020 Census, the councilmanic lines were shifted moving 4526 residents from District 1 to District 5. Apparently, it was with this policy that Councilmember Yungmann sent letters to the newly redistricted residents of District 5. Yet, the residents of homes mailed the 1409 letters did not move into District 5; they did not move at all. The District 5 councilmanic line moved for the 2022 election. Figure 2. The importance of these three precincts mainly along Centennial Lane were identified by many campaigns this election year.
Figure 2 -Effect of 2022 Councilmanic Redistricting
The timing, tone, and content of the letter makes it clear without saying so explicitly that it is about the election. Councilmember Liz Walsh who then represented the redistricted constituents recognized this when she tweeted:
“I am the current Councilmember representing your new district” = “I am a current Councilmember who will represent you and your neighborhood only if I win this here general election.” And it’s campaigning. On the public dime.
Liz Walsh @LizWalshHoCoD1 Oct. 18, 2022.
The letter consisted of five paragraphs. It was printed on County Council stationery with the full-color county seal. Stapled to the letter was Councilmember Yungmann’s business card. The letter’s salutation was generically addressed to “Dear Resident.” Figure 4.
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Figure 4 – The David Yungmann District 5 Letter
The First Paragraph of the District 5 Letter
The first paragraph of the letter states “As a result of redistricting following the 2020 Census, the new council district for your neighborhood is County Council District 5. I am the current Councilmember representing your new district.” Without mentioning the general election or urging a vote, these two sentences were clearly about the election. The sentences play loose with the facts. As Liz Walsh acknowledged this was about the general election. The new district for purposes of the election is District 5; however for purposes of representation and any appointments to boards and commissions by councilmanic district, it remains District 1. Councilmember Yungmann will represent the new portion of District 5, if and only if, he wins reelection and is sworn in on December 5, 2022.
Yungmann knew in December 2021 that he would only represent the newly redistricted areas after reelection. In an attempt to amend the councilmanic maps proposed by the Redistricting Commission, Councilmember Yungmann sponsored CB91-20212 “An Act repealing and reenacting Subtitle 3 “Councilmanic Districts” of Title 5 ‘County Council’ of the Howard County Code to adopt redistricting maps and council district descriptions which will establish new council districts for Howard County in accordance with Howard County Charter Section 202(f) ‘Redistricting.’” On Page 3, Line 2-5 of the bill it clearly stated that
the provisions of this Act shall be applicable to elections for members of the County Council beginning with the primary and general elections of 2022 and, for purposes of representation, shall be applicable beginning with the first Monday of December 2022.
CB91-2021 (emphasis added).
Figure 5a – Council Bill 91-2021 Title
Figure 5b – Council Bill 91-2021 Page 3
That the councilmanic lines have not yet changed is further illustrated in the Approved Howard County Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2023 which includes the current councilmanic districts. Figure 6.
The pinned tweet on the Howard County Council official Twitter page also has a pinned tweet with the then current councilmanic map. Figure 7.
Furthermore, Yungmann’s official Twitter page states: “Representing Residents of District 5” and not the newly redistricted residents of District 1. Figure 8.
Figure 8 – Councilman David Yungmann Twitter
Additionally, the District 5 map linked from Councilmember Yungmann’s official website had the then current 2014 councilmanic districts. Figure 9.
Yungmann’s District Aide, Cindy Skalny even questioned the effect of the election and the propriety of sending the letter prior to the general election. Figure 10.
The Second Paragraph of the District 5 Letter
The second paragraph states
The County Council serves as the Legislative Branch of the County and in the capacity considers legislation that impacts our laws and policies. Our District 5 office is also here to assist you with a wide range of issues or concerns including your interactions with government.
In the context of the election this is also problematic. Many voters are naively unaware of the existence of the County Council, what are its responsibilities and who represents them. Additionally, unless there is a nexus to a district issue or sponsored legislation, the councilmembers generally prefer to represent their own constituents. The second sentence of this paragraph implies that Councilmember Yungmann will deal with issues or concerns of the affected District 1 residents prior to the November 8 election.
The Third Paragraph of the District 5 Letter
The third paragraph states
I encourage you to visit our website at www.cc.howardcountymd.gov/distircts/district-5 where you can find our contact information, sign up to receive our newsletter, follow us on social media and find other helpful ways to stay connected and informed.
Again, for naive and uninformed voters, this further helps to sell Candidate Yungmann’s campaign for reelection. Even without mentioning his reelection or linking to his personal and/or campaign social media, this serves to sell his candidacy for reelection to the voters in the newly redistricted precincts of Distinct 5.
The Fourth Paragraph of the District 5 Letter
The fourth paragraph states
Everyone in our office lives in District 5. I have lived in what is now District 5 for 50 years. I grew up in the Valley Mede area, where I graduated from Mt. Hebron, and now live in Woodbine where raised my own family. Both members of our district staff, Karen Knight and Cindy Skalny, also live in District 5 and have long standing ties to our community.
This paragraph seeks to sell Candidate Yungmann to the new voters of District 5. A normal official letter from an elected official would not usually include the writer’s biography to sell his bona fides to the reader. Even more curious is the second sentence which sells the relationship of the staff to District 5. The unwritten sentence of this paragraph is “Reelect me and then my staff and I will help you because we are all from District 5 and are members of one community—District 5.”
That this is related to the candidate Yungmann’s reelection is demonstrated by comparison with Yungmann’s election materials. On candidate Yungmann’s campaign website, it has a biography with similar content and tone:
David has lived in Howard County since 1972. While living in Chatham and Mount Hebron, he attended public schools and graduated from Mt. Hebron High School in 1985. . . .For the past two decades, David has resided in Woodbine and worked as a real estate agent, leading his firm based in Ellicott City. He has two grown children who also attended public schools. . . .
Get to Know Candidate David Yungmann from Campaign Website
https://davidyungmann.com/meet-david-yungmann/
Figure 11 – Get to Know Candidate David Yungmann from Campaign Website
Candidate Yungmann has used similar biographical language to sell himself to voters in his campaign mailers:
Background
50-year county resident. Raised in Ellicott City and 20-year resident of Woodbine. Graduate of HoCo public schools (Mt. Hebron) Local small business owner
Lastly, similar language also appears of David Yungmann’s website for his real estate business where he is selling himself to prospective real estate buyers and sellers:
I’ve been a local resident for close to 45 years. I was raised in Ellicott City, spent my 20s in Baltimore City and am now a 15-year resident of Western Howard County. I know Howard County and the surrounding communities as well as anyone in the business which is a crucial and valuable benefit for both buyers and sellers.
David Yungmann Team Leader
Councilmember Yungmann Violated the Howard County Public Ethics Law
That the letters were for the personal benefit of David Yungmann is partially illustrated by the use of his personal real estate email account in the initial email on this project to his council staff. Figure 12.
More importantly, the Howard County Public Ethics Law Section 22.200 et. seq. prohibits an elected official from using his prestige of office for private gain:
(e) Use of Prestige of Office.
(1) An official or employee may not intentionally use the prestige of office or public position for the private gain of that official or employee or the private gain of another.
(2) This subsection does not prohibit the performance of usual and customary constituent services by an elected official without additional compensation.
Howard County Code, § 22.204 – Prohibited conduct and interests. (e). The residents of District 1 were not Councilmember Yungmann’s constituents; “the constituents of a legislator being those whom he represents and whose interests he is to care for in pubic affairs.” Black’s Law Dictionary, Fifth Ed. 1979 p. 281. These newly redistricted residents, not all of which are voters, did not become constituents until December 5, 2022—all as acknowledged by Councilmember Yungmann in CB91-2021. Cindy Skalny prematurely referred to the future District 5 residents as “New Constituents from Redistricting.” Figure 13.
The Anne Arundel Ethics Commission wrote a letter in opposition to an Anne Arundel County bill to define “usual and customary constituent services.” The Anne Arundel Commission wrote:
It is the job of the Ethics Commission to look at a totality of the facts and circumstances of a particular situation or event and determine whether the reason for a member of the County Council being asked to appear before a County agency is to use the prestige of their office to influence the proceeding. . . .
All of these factors go into the decision making process when the Commission is asked to give an opinion or give advice on a matter concerning “constituent services” and whether, in the Commission’s opinion, such constituent service is “usual and customary.” We should not leave it up to government officials to broadly define the circumstances of acceptable behavior and to then apply that definition to their own actions, outside of independent review and consideration by a body of citizens who have been tasked with the duty and responsibility to insure the business of our County government is not subject to improper influence, or even the appearance of improper influence. . . .
. . . The complaint process in the ultimate method by which we exercise our oversight authority if something goes awry, but it is used only as a last resort. The Commission prefers to address broad definition of “usual and customary constituent services,” the Council is taking the case by case “smell test” out of the equation. . .
Letter of the Anne Arundel Ethics Commission to JoAnne Gray, Administrative Officer, Anne Arundel County Council, RE: Bill 93-20, Report and Recommendation, Nov. 10, 2020. As discussed above, the totality of the facts and circumstances of the District 5 Letter was for the benefit of Candidate Yungmann and for that of the Committee to Elect David Yungmann. As the Anne Arundel Ethics Commission wrote, whether there is a violation of the use of prestige office must be subjected to a smell test—and when discussed in full context and the court rulings discussed below—the 1409 District 5 letters stink.
Furthermore, the Howard County Ethics “Commission has determined that the term ‘private gain’, as used in Section 22.204(e), applies solely to economic or contractual gain.” Advisory Opinion No. 2022-02, February 1, 2022 (citing Op. No. 2011-01; 2012-05). Here, the facts demonstrate that Candidate Yungmann and the Committee to Elect David Yungmann received an economic gain of at least $1654.87.
Using Public Funds to Send Campaign Materials is Unlawful
The Maryland State Ethics Commission also discussed the difference between an appropriate constituent services and material such as the District 5 letter that is written for the private benefit of a candidate for public office:
However, it is important to distinguish the support of State initiatives from activity involving partisan political matters. The Commission emphasizes that the constituent services exception does not allow the use of public funds, facilities, equipment, services, government time or other government assets or resources for involvement in, support of, or opposition to partisan political activity such as advocating the election or defeat of a candidate or generating written material that is clearly only for the private benefit of the official, . . . or a candidate for office.
Memorandum “Subject: Political Activity,” Maryland State Ethics Commission, March 19, 2021, p. 3 of 4 (emphasis added). Similarly, Montgomery County while defending its right to use public funds in opposition to a referendum admitted that the use of county funds in support a candidate would be improper. There the Court of Special Appeals noted “The County concedes that advocacy by the County on behalf of a particular candidate would not advance a governmental purpose and therefore would be ultra vires. Montgomery County v. Fraternal Order of Police, 222 Md. App. 278. 112 A.3d 1052, n. 12 (2015).
Letters Sent From Members of the General Assembly
By way of comparison, for members of the General Assembly the following guidelines and legislation would apply to letters similar to that sent to the new District 5 constituents and would seem to prohibit Councilmember Yungmann’s District 5 letter; the Guidelines provided by the Joint Committee on Legislative Ethics state:
Constituent Correspondence – Use of General Assembly Print Shop, Mail Room, Email, and Electronic Newsletters
The Presiding Officers of the General Assembly have issued the following guidelines for the use of the General Assembly’s print shop, mail room, email, and electronic newsletters:
The use of governmental resources for printing, mailing, and emailing correspondence or other documents is intended primarily for official legislative business, communications relating directly to a single legislative issue, and responses to constituent inquiries. A member may use governmental resources for printing, mailing, or emailing correspondence and documents only in accordance with the following standards:
1. An item of mail or email may be sent only to a named person or named family. An item generically addressed to “Friend,” “Resident,” or a comparable word or phrase, or using only an address, is not permitted. For non–electronic mailings, this restriction applies to the addressee listed on the envelope and not the enclosed letter.
“2021 Ethics Guide Including a Compilation of Ethics Opinions and Ethics Disclosure Forms,” Joint Committee on Legislative Ethics, Maryland General Assembly, p. 22 (emphasis added). Thus, legislators cannot send a “Dear Resident” letter as Councilmember Yungmann did. Furthermore, the Election Law Article of the Annotated Code of Maryland in §13-406. Definitions states:
(c) Publication expense. — “Publication expense” means an expenditure relating to writing, publishing, printing, issuing, mailing, or distributing an unofficial legislative newsletter.
(d) Unofficial legislative newsletter. — “Unofficial legislative newsletter” means an unsolicited document used by an incumbent, without supervision by or coordination with the General Assembly, to disseminate information to a constituent, voter, or potential voter about:
(1) the incumbent’s performance in legislative office; or
(2) one or more issues of public interest chosen by the incumbent.
(emphasis added). Note the law distinguishes between “constituent,” “voter,” and “potential voter.” State law also prohibits legislators from sending a legislative newsletter paid for with public funds and requires that the expense be paid by an authorized candidate campaign committee:
(a) Public funds prohibited. — Publication expenses may not be paid from public funds.
(b) Permissible funding. — Publication expenses:
(1) may be paid by an authorized candidate campaign committee of the incumbent if the authorized candidate campaign committee complies with all other requirements of this title regarding expenditures and campaign material; and
(2) may not be paid from the personal funds of any individual.
§13-408. Payment of publication expenses. Thus, State legislators would be prohibited from sending the District 5 letter.
Opinion of the City of College Park Ethics Commission
The City of College Park Ethics Commission also considered related facts:
Although the Ethics Commission is not aware of any judicial or State Ethics Commission opinions that address this issue under Maryland law, the General Assembly of Maryland’s Joint Committee on Legislative Ethics, in its 2013 Ethics Guide, advises Maryland legislators that political campaign efforts do not constitute government business or constituent services and that legislators must not use government resources, including government-provided stationery, for campaign-related correspondence. The Joint Committee further cautions legislators not to utilize government resources for “overtly partisan” communications, even if the communications do not relate to an election campaign. . . .
The Commission finds the reasoning of the Joint Committee on Legislative Ethics to be persuasive, and applying that reasoning to the City-issued business cards of Councilmembers, we conclude that campaigning for election constitutes a private purpose and, therefore, that distributing City-issued business cards for campaign purposed constitutes a violation of [the ethics law]. Specifically, is is the opinion of the Commission that the mass distribution, by mail or hand-delivery, of an incumbent candidate’s official business cards with campaign materials constitutes an unauthorized use of City materials for a private purpose.
. . . The primary purpose of official stationery is to facilitate written communications from a candidate’s office to the recipient. In contrast, the primary purpose of official business cards is to facilitate further communications between an official and a constituent following a face-to-face interaction. When the face-to-face interaction between a candidate and a constituent occurs while the candidate is canvassing for votes or making a campaign appearance, the distribution of an official business card during that interaction is an inseparable part of the candidate’s campaign activity. Accordingly, it is the opinion of the Commission that [the ethics law] prohibits candidates from giving their City-issued business card to constituents during campaign activities such as canvassing and public appearances.
City of College Park Ethics Commission, Advisory Opinion 2013-01, February 28, 2013, p. 2-3. Therefore, the attachment of Councilmember Yungmann’s business cards was unlawful.
Federal Courts Found That Sending Mailings to Newly Redistricted Constituents is Prohibited
In 1972, Seventh District Illinois Congressman Frank Annunzio mailed 100,000 questionnaires to voters who were not his constituents in the newly redistricted Eleventh Congressional District where the Congressman was then a candidate, after redistricting. At issue was the congressional franking law, 39 U.S.C. § 3210 which permitted members of Congress to send mailings without postage at taxpayer expense.3
The United States Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, in an opinion written by soon to be Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, found that
The mailing of 100,000 questionnaires to nonconstituents during an election campaign cannot reasonably be explained as an attempt to solicit voter sentiment on pending issues. . . . The mailing has, however, enhanced his “voter recognition,” and thus advanced his candidacy in the Eleventh District. . . . We believe the district court’s conclusion that this mass mailing was not “upon official business” within the meaning of 39 U.S.C. § 3210 was clearly correct.
Hoellen v. Annunzio, 468 F. 2d 522, 526 (7th Circuit 1972) (emphasis added). In response to the Court’s ruling, Congress amended the franking law to specifically authorize mailings to newly redistricted constituents:
Section 3210(d)(1)(B) provides that a Member of the House may send franked mass mail not only to his current district, but also to “any additional area of each congressional district proposed or established” by redistricting and “containing all or part of” the Member’s original district. In essence, every 10 years the statute provides federal funding to incumbents to send mass mail to voters whom they do not yet represent, but who might vote for them come November.
Coalition to End the Permanent Congress v. Runyon, 979 F.2d 219, 222 (Silberman, Circuit Judge, dissenting from the Per Curiam disposition) (DC Circuit 1992).
The amended franking law was subsequently challenged, and in 1992, the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit reversed the decision of the District of Columbia District Court and found that the amended provision was unconstitutional:
ORDERED and ADJUDGED, by this Court, that 39 U.S.C. § 3210(d)(1)(B) is unconstitutional under the First and Fifth Amendments, and therefore the judgment of the District Court is hereby reversed. The provision at issue, 39 U.S.C. § 3210(d)(1)(B), part of the congressional franking statute, allows incumbents to send free mass mailings to persons in areas added to their districts by redistricting. Appellants, including several challengers running for seats in the upcoming elections, contest the law as an unconstitutional subsidy that aids incumbents at taxpayer expense in winning reelection. Appellees, officials of the House of Representatives, contend that the law encourages incumbents to provide information to these redistricted voters, whose current representative may have less incentive to serve them because of redistricting. In a June 26, 1992 memorandum opinion and order granting appellees’ motion for summary judgment, 796 F.Supp. 549, the District Court held that the justification for the law had a rational basis which survived constitutional scrutiny. On July 16 this Court granted appellants’ motion for an expedited appeal.
A summary form of Judge Silberman and Judge Randolph’s opinions concurring in the judgment are attached hereto, as well as a summary of Judge Wald’s dissent. Expanded opinions will issue at a later date.
Runyon at n. 1 (emphasis added). In light of this order, Congress again responded—this time repealing the provision of the franking law permitting mailings to new constituents. Because of the congressional action, the per curiam opinion of the Court found “it imprudent for us to issue expanded opinions” on an issue that was now moot. Runyon at 219-20. Judge Silverman dissented from this conclusion:
I think we should honor our commitment to issue our full opinions, and, accordingly, I include a separate opinion which follows this dissent. We have already made a “pronouncement about the constitutionality” of an Act of Congress, a pronouncement widely reported throughout the nation. . . .
Runyon at 220-21 (emphasis added).
Judge Silverman wrote, in essentially an opinion concurring in the judgment of the Court declaring the statute unconstitutional:
It is not immediately apparent how this case implicates the First and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution. The statute hardly burdens speech; by financing speech, it actually encourages it. See, e.g., Rust v. Sullivan,___ U.S. ___, ___ _ ___ & n. 5, 111 S.Ct. 1759, 1774-75 & n. 5, 114 L.Ed.2d 233 (1991). Although the challengers assert they are discriminated against and thus denied the benefits of the Equal Protection component of the Fifth Amendment, it is more difficult to see how the voters en masse have any claim under that constitutional provision. But recent Supreme Court cases have developed a rather general, if imprecise, notion that voters and candidates have a “fundamental right” under the First and Fourteenth (or Fifth) Amendments — independent of the Equal Protection guarantee — which can be abridged by laws affecting elections that favor some candidates over others. Anderson v. Celebrezze, 460 U.S. 780, 786-89 & n. 7, 103 S.Ct. 1564, 1568-70 & n. 7, 75 L.Ed.2d 547 (1983). And the Supreme Court has made clear that in analyzing alleged violations of this fundamental right, we need not distinguish the claims of the challengers from those of the voters. See id. at 786, 103 S.Ct. at 1568.
Runyon at 223 (emphasis added). Judge Silverman continued
The particular provision of the franking statute presented in this case has no significance independent of an election context. Redistricting, following the decennial census, draws new electoral boundaries in contemplation of the next congressional election. And the “orphaned voters” are not yet (and may never be) the constituents of Congressman “Y.” Indeed, the very justification that appellees put forward for the statutory provision — that Congressman “Y” will have a significantly greater incentive to serve the orphaned voters than Congressman “X” because of the incentive of reelection — only serves to highlight the electoral context in which the provision operates.
Runyon at 224. Furthermore, Silverman stated “when the government seeks to favor one major-party candidate against another, the Court will look closely at the government’s justification.” and Silverman concluded that
It seems to me that a statute that provides a subsidy to incumbents directly in contemplation of an election, regardless of its stated purpose, must receive heightened scrutiny. If the law were otherwise, Congress could provide an illegal subsidy to incumbents merely by labeling the subsidy a technique to serve constituents. Thus, Congress might temporarily . . . or grant large amounts of money to incumbents, all for the purpose of “communicating with constituents” during a period leading up to an election. In those circumstances, the judiciary must ask more than whether such schemes have a rational basis, because that test would uphold any statute that includes some benefits to constituents apart from the electoral advantages bestowed on incumbents. Any plan to provide financial advantage to incumbents could be so justified. In this case, I find that § 3210(d)(1)(B) acts in contemplation of elections because on its face it is triggered only by the redistricting that precedes elections. It is no different than a statute increasing the benefits of incumbency for the three months before an election, because § 3210(d)(1)(B) takes effect only after redistricting and becomes inapplicable 60 days before the election. By timing the provision of a financial advantage to incumbents to coincide with elections, the statute must face heightened scrutiny.
Runyon at 225 (emphasis added). Furthermore, “I think we must assume that the subsidy provides an advantage to the recipient equal to its economic value, and no one has suggested that the frank’s value per potential voter to a congressional campaign is insignificant.” Runyon at 226. Similarly, here in Howard County Councilmember Yungmann’s mailing provided a value to himself and his campaign of at least $1654.87.
The Policy Allowing Councilmembers to Send Constituent Letters Is Unconstitutional as Applied
The Council’s practice/policy/procedure allows a councilmember to send “constituent letters” to anyone at any time. This policy was described in response to a Public Information Act request by Council Administrator Michelle Harrod:
A total of 1,409 letters were mailed. There is not a separate budget line by District for Supplies and Materials. The cost of mailing letters to constituents is included in the Council’s annual budget. The Council office is not charged directly for postage. Postage is included in the General Fund chargeback, which is budgeted under the “Expense Other” noted on the Approved Budget.
Letter from Michelle R. Harrod to Joel Hurewitz, October 17, 2022. Without any restrictions prohibiting the sending of letters 60 days before an election, the ability to send letters to newly redistricted constituents is broader than the statute declared unconstitutional in Runyon. The Howard County Council has a de facto “franking” privilege; if a councilmember wishes to send a letter, the postage will be paid. To the extent that the council procedures permits a councilmember to send as many letters as they wish to newly redistricted constituents just before an election, the practice is unconstitutional as-applied. The Court of Appeals has stated that an as-applied challenge is defined as a claim that a statute or government practice “’is unconstitutional on the facts of a particular case or in its application to a particular party.’” Powell v. Md. Dep’t of Health, 455 Md. 520, 550, 168 A.3d 857, 875 (2017) (quoting Motor Vehicle Administration v. Seenath, 448 Md. 145, 181, 136 A.3d 885 (2016)). David Yungmann and his campaign entity, the Committee to Elect David Yungmann, received an economic benefit of at least $1654.87—all in violation the United States Constitution and the laws of Maryland and of Howard County.
Other Laws Were Violated by the Sending of the District 5 Letter
The content, tone and timing of the District 5 letter violated the County Public Ethics Law, and the mailing was a political activity that also violated the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution. As a consequence of these transgressions, other laws were also violated:
Section 709 of the Howard County Charter provides:
(d) Political activity. No officer or employee of the county shall be prohibited from participating in politics or political campaigns; however, no officer or employee shall engage in political activity while on the job during working hours; advocate the overthrow of the government by unconstitutional or violent means; or be obligated to contribute to an election campaign, political party or political club, or to render political service.
(emphasis added). Similarly, Section 1.121(d) of the Howard County Code states
(d) Political Activity. An Officer or employee of the County may not be prohibited from participating in politics or political campaigns. No Officer or employee may engage in political activity while on the job during working hours, or advocate the overthrow of the government by unconstitutional or violent means. No Officer or employee may be obligated to contribute to an election campaign, political party, or political club, or to render political service.
(emphasis added). In addition, Section 1-304. Restrictions on political activities of the Local Government Article of the Annotated Code of Maryland states:
An employee of a governmental entity may not: (1) engage in political activity while on the job during working hours; or(2) advocate the overthrow of the government by unconstitutional or violent means.
(emphasis added). Therefore, Councilmember Yungmann, with the assistance of Karen Knight and Cindy Skalny, as well as other members of the Council Office with the assistance of the Office of Law violated these provisions of State and Howard County law. The evidence is that the Office of Law and that County Solicitor Gary Kuc personally approved the sending of the letter. Figure 15.
Lastly, if this all amounted to political activity, it also included the unlawful use of the county seal:
Use. It shall be unlawful for any person to make or use the seal, or reproduction thereof, for any purpose other than for the official business of Howard County, unless expressly approved in writing by the Chief Administrative Officer.
The seal, or any representation or near representation, shall not be used for:
(1) Any political purpose, including, but not limited to mailers or handouts; . . .
Section 22.101(f) (emphasis added).
Amendments to the Public Ethics Law Are Needed to Prohibit Mailings That May be Considered Election Material
Judge Moran noted in Hamilton that
Pursuant to the federal statute, a Member or Member-Elect to Congress may not mail as franked mail laudatory and complimentary information about any Member of, or Member-Elect to, Congress on a purely personal or political basis. Instead, the mailings must be the basis of performance of official duties as a Member or Member-Elect to Congress. See 39 U.S.C. § 3210(a)(5)(A).
Hamilton at 854. Therefore, in addition to finding that Councilmember Yungmann’s District 5 letter violated the county Public Ethics Law, State law, and the United States Constitution, the Ethics Commission should recommend that the Howard County Code be amended to prohibit any mailings that may be considered personal election material particularly from after the date specified for filing to become a candidate for county executive or councilmember for the primary election.
Footnotes
1The implications on equity, diversity and fairness of a policy that only sends letters to new homeowners where the data is available from SDAT and excludes new renters, for which no similar records exist, is an issue which should be discussed at a future time.
2At its December 6, 2021 County Council’s Legislative Session, the Motion to Suspend the Rules to allow introduction of David Yungmann’s did not obtain the necessary 2/3 vote.
3The courts in Pennsylvania have used the franked mail privileges as guidance to apply to state issues. See Hamilton v. Hennessey, 783 A.2d 852, 857 (Commonwealth Court of PA 2001)(“Although the issues in this case appear to be of first impression in Pennsylvania, we find some guidance in federal cases decided under 39 U.S.C § 3210, relating to franked mail privileges for official business of members of Congress”).
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Councilwoman Deb Jung on the Recent Attack Mailer Sent out by Janssen Evelyn
Transcript of the May 12, 2022 Columbia Association Meetings
Below you will find an auto-generated transcript for the May 12, 2022 Meeting of the Members of the Columbia Association, the Organizational Meeting of the Columbia Association Board of Directors, and the Meeting of the Columbia Council.
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a columbia association
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to order at
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good evening everyone i’m janet evans
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chair of the ca board of directors
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please remember that this meeting of the
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raise your hand to speak i will record
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the names in the order in which i see
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them if you are virtual please use the
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and as always i appreciate those of you
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in the room helping me monitor the chat
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as we move through the meeting i will
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introduce each item on the agenda before
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a vote is taken i will restate a motion
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as well as who motioned and seconded if
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at any point you have trouble hearing me
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or any other board member please say so
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i will be keeping time tonight since we
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have not yet created a rotation
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brian
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bill
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sherry here
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lakey here and i am here
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can i get a motion to approve the agenda
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jenny moves do i have a second
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okay unanimous
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okay next up we have resident speak out
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thank you
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all right first up we have melissa
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villagus
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melissa are you with us
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okay we will come back to melissa
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next up we have deborah latimer
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do we have deborah on the line
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yep i’m here hello good evening welcome
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welcome
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good evening i am debbie latimer
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i live in um
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and i am speaking
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just a minute
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i am speaking on behalf of our howard
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kennedy mom’s demand action for gun
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sense in america local group
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i live in long reach village on each
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leaf court right next to oakbush where
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kyle shot and killed his wife
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aline and then himself in march 2021.
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both my children graduated from long
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reach high school where a police officer
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disarmed a high school student who had a
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loaded ghost gun
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in may 2021
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across the street from the exxon where
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21 year old jaden was shot and died less
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than a month later
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i work at our county’s hospital where
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wendy who was shot and killed by her
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ex-husband
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in december 2021 had worked
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near the convenience store where a 22
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year old man montez was shot in early
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june 2021 and later died
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close to the wild lake village center
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where a mother and child were shot in
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crossfire in february of this year
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this is just a glimpse of the way our
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community has been impacted by gun
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violence over the past year
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gun violence includes suicides domestic
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violence school shootings
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mass shootings unintentional shootings
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and threats of gun violence
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each day
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more than 110 people in the united
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states are killed and more than 200 are
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wounded with guns
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in a national poll 58 percent of adults
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reported that they or someone they care
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for have experienced gun violence in
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their lifetime
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more people die from gun violence by
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early february in the united states than
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during the entire calendar year
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in other high-income
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countries moms demand action together
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with other groups who care about this
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issue commemorate the first friday of
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june
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as national gun violence awareness day
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that will be june 3rd this year
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we wear and light up orange to remember
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all the victims of gun violence
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our volunteers work every day of the
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year
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to prevent gun violence through our
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support of evidence-based solutions
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please vote to issue a proclamation and
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consider lighting a building orange in
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honor of all those who’ve been impacted
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by gun violence in colombia
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our hospital will be lighting up orange
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this year because our medical
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professionals recognize that gun
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violence is a public health issue
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thank you
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thank you debbie are there any questions
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alan yeah debbie thank you is there a an
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event or a date or a deadline that we
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should be aware of or is this something
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that we could do
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just i have submitted a letter to all of
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you um you should have received it and
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it has more details about what we’re
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requesting
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um but basically we’re asking the
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columbia association board to issue a
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proclamation
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just designating
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the national
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gun violence remembrance day or
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awareness day for june 3rd
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and that weekend is typically when we um
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light buildings up and also wear orange
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and have activities we are planning a
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community event that will probably be
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held in columbia as well at lake elkhorn
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um
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at one of the schools the middle school
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i believe um and that’s going to be the
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following weekend so we can keep you
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apprised
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of what’s going on
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thank you we’re working with another
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community organization too
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on this
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jenny yeah thank you excuse me deb uh
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excuse me is this proclamation that you
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sent us the same as the one uh this
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board approved uh was it a year ago or
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two years ago
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it’s similar it’s similar okay it’s
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updated
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yeah okay thank you
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any other questions
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thank you debbie
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okay thank you
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okay next up we have russ swatek
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westwatex longreach i stand thanks to
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new and returning board members for
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volunteering your time to serve our
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community
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i was on the board for four years and
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know it will consume all the time you
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are willing to give it
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please remember the ca president and
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staff work for you
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and you for the residents of columbia
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i found most of my problems with ca
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staff stem from how ca was viewed
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ca is the corporation in the homeowners
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association
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i wanted ca to emphasize being the
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resident’s hoa
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of course ca needs to stay financially
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solvent to serve the community
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however staff often appear to be
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thinking only of the corporate aspect
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which it does not need to adhere to many
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of the hla requirements
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makes sense because ca is their employer
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but the reason for ca’s existence is to
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be the residents hoa
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last year ca signed an agreement with
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the downtown columbia arts and cultural
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commission and the ima
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which codified how the holiday symphony
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of lights could wrap cars over symphony
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woods forested land
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several residents requested a copy of
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the agreement
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and the ca president and general counsel
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refused to provide it
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said there was a non-disclosure
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agreement well there was no nda
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i saw an ethics complaint against the ca
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president and general counsel
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alleging ethics violation for not
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providing the agreement as required by
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the maryland homeowners association act
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and for not being truthful
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board members and residents
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unfortunately the ca board chair
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basically disregarded the allegations
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and said there was just different legal
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opinions based on statements by ca’s
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general counsel that the agreement does
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not need to be released
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he is simply a hired hand
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willing to say whatever is requested
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and he works for the ca president do not
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expect any credibility there
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the ch here did not even bring it before
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the board for discussion
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after many weeks ca finally did release
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the agreement
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however in the meantime i had referred
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the matter to the office of the attorney
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general from ireland unfortunately due
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to the legislature being in session we
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did not get the attorney general’s
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response until yesterday
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it’s very clear that the agreement had
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to be provided to the requesting regime
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when i get all of your email addresses i
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will forward the ag’s opinion to you
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ca has a history of withholding
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requested information that the maryland
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hoa act requires to be released
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please stop this practice
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so when i get your email address i will
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forward a new exits complaint to you
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it has been released that the ca
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president has disclosed ca confidential
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information to the media
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in an attempt to affect the recent
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elections
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because she did not like the candidate
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this should be investigated
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ca board you need to get our president
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under control
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in closing
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just remember that the ca president and
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staff
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work for you
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thank you russ any questions for us
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okay
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uh
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has melissa joined us
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okay
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and that concludes our resident speak
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out for tonight’s
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meeting to limit interruptions during
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board discussion and voting all members
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of the general public will now be
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returned to the audience this means that
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you will no longer be able to show your
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camera or unm mute your audio but you
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are more of the welcome to stay on as an
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attendee to watch the remainder of this
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meeting work session
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you can also watch the live stream on
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the ca live stream youtube page thank
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you for your participation tonight
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i will now take a moment to allow our
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staff to make the transition
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so
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we’re good
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okay
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okay can i now have a motion to approve
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the minutes from may 13th and october
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14th so 21.
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jenny moves do i have a second
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i’ll second 90 seconds any discussion
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just a question our usual practice has
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been the one votes
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on minutes only if one attended the
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meeting
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and since you just lumped the two of
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them together into one motion i attended
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one and didn’t attend the other i’m
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wondering what i believe anybody is able
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to vote regardless thank you
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any objection to the approval of the
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minutes
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unanimous
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okay moving on to the election of
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directors to the board whereas the
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following persons are in the columbia
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council representatives elected to serve
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for fiscal year 23 by the members of
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their respective village community
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associations
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richard bolton village of dorsey search
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eric greenberg village of river hill
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brian england village of hickory ridge
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kevin fitzgerald village of town center
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janet evans village of longreach bill
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santos village of wild lake allen klein
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village of harper’s choice andrew stack
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village of owen brown virginia thomas
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village of oakland mills sherry zarat
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village of king’s contrivance
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whereas pursuant to the terms of the
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columbia association charter and bylaws
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such columbia council representatives
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are members of the corporation
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now therefore be it resolved that the
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members hereby elect to the board of
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directors effective may 12 2022
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brian england the newly elected colombia
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council representative from hickory
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ridge kevin fitzgerald the newly elected
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columbia council representative from
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town center
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bill santos the newly elected columbia
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council representative from wild lake
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is alan klein considered a new leap
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sorry alan klein the newly elected
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columbia council representative from
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harper’s choice
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now therefore be it resolved that the
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members hereby reelect to the board of
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directors effective may 12 2022 richard
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bolton the columbia council
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representative dorsey search eric
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greenberg the columbia council
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representative river hill janet evans
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the columbia council representative long
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reach andrew stack the columbia council
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representative owen brown
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virginia thomas the columbia council
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representative oakland mills and sherry
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zarat the columbia council
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representative for king’s contrivance
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vote
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okay
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uh
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do we need a motion yeah somebody has to
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make a motion to approve the resolution
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so moved second jenny moves alan seconds
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any discussion
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any objections
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okay
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resolution is approved
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may i have a motion to adjourn the
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organizational uh
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sorry remembers me the members meeting
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so i moved so yeah eric moves second
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jenny seconds
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any discussion
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any objections
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unanimous
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is this when we take the pause to sign
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the fx okay
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we will now take a brief
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pause to sign the ethics documentation
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just take one and pass it down
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thank you
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[Applause]
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yep
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[Applause]
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[Applause]
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thank you
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thanks
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so
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um
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[Music]
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thank you
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what’s up
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yes
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[Applause]
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you
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you
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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thank you
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[Applause]
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so
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thank
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okay
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00:33:17,039 –> 00:33:20,039
right
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so
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[Applause]
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00:33:46,000 –> 00:33:49,420
okay thanks
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[Applause]
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[Applause]
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00:34:17,918 –> 00:34:20,918
so
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[Music]
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[Music]
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00:34:55,839 –> 00:34:59,240
there are four
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[Music]
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00:35:29,760 –> 00:35:31,839
you
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00:36:10,560 –> 00:36:13,119
riveting
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00:36:20,880 –> 00:36:23,880
oh
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00:36:57,359 –> 00:37:00,359
um
419
00:37:23,359 –> 00:37:24,880
is there anyone who has not signed the
420
00:37:24,880 –> 00:37:26,800
documents that were passed out
421
00:37:26,800 –> 00:37:29,359
uh dick has not signed them
422
00:37:29,359 –> 00:37:31,200
i’m sorry dick bolton has not signed
423
00:37:31,200 –> 00:37:33,359
them
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00:37:35,280 –> 00:37:39,359
so that’s i’ll state for the record um
425
00:37:39,359 –> 00:37:41,920
that this board did pass
426
00:37:41,920 –> 00:37:45,359
or approve i should say a policy
427
00:37:45,359 –> 00:37:46,400
um
428
00:37:46,400 –> 00:37:50,240
it was dated september 23rd 2021
429
00:37:50,240 –> 00:37:52,480
stating that anybody or any board member
430
00:37:52,480 –> 00:37:54,000
who fails to sign
431
00:37:54,000 –> 00:37:56,480
the cs the ca ethics policies
432
00:37:56,480 –> 00:37:58,480
is not permitted to vote
433
00:37:58,480 –> 00:38:00,880
in a board member meeting
434
00:38:00,880 –> 00:38:02,880
or to vote
435
00:38:02,880 –> 00:38:05,040
or attend a closed meeting
436
00:38:05,040 –> 00:38:06,560
so i would just state that for the
437
00:38:06,560 –> 00:38:08,480
record
438
00:38:08,480 –> 00:38:10,880
okay
439
00:38:11,680 –> 00:38:13,200
i’d like to make a statement for the
440
00:38:13,200 –> 00:38:16,760
record as well
441
00:38:18,240 –> 00:38:20,720
proceed
442
00:38:20,800 –> 00:38:24,079
uh our government governing documents uh
443
00:38:24,079 –> 00:38:25,520
do not
444
00:38:25,520 –> 00:38:29,520
allow a member to be denied a vote
445
00:38:29,520 –> 00:38:32,000
so that resolution yes that was a very
446
00:38:32,000 –> 00:38:33,839
nice thing to do
447
00:38:33,839 –> 00:38:36,400
but uh it’s invalid
448
00:38:36,400 –> 00:38:39,359
and uh furthermore i intend to vote uh
449
00:38:39,359 –> 00:38:42,400
at the meeting tonight
450
00:38:42,720 –> 00:38:44,880
um i believe are you referring to the to
451
00:38:44,880 –> 00:38:46,560
the charter where it says that all
452
00:38:46,560 –> 00:38:49,520
members are entitled to vote yes i am um
453
00:38:49,520 –> 00:38:52,320
and again this is just for the record um
454
00:38:52,320 –> 00:38:54,160
each director entitled to a vote is what
455
00:38:54,160 –> 00:38:55,359
it reads
456
00:38:55,359 –> 00:38:56,320
um
457
00:38:56,320 –> 00:38:58,720
you know entitled
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00:38:58,720 –> 00:39:00,800
is a specific word used
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00:39:00,800 –> 00:39:01,760
so
460
00:39:01,760 –> 00:39:04,880
one could say that um this policy says
461
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that
462
00:39:06,000 –> 00:39:07,599
an individual who’s not does not sign
463
00:39:07,599 –> 00:39:09,040
the ethics policies
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00:39:09,040 –> 00:39:11,200
is therefore not entitled to vote
465
00:39:11,200 –> 00:39:14,160
um so it’s my recommendation that
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00:39:14,160 –> 00:39:15,680
this board follow the policy that it
467
00:39:15,680 –> 00:39:16,880
passed
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00:39:16,880 –> 00:39:19,839
in september 23rd 2021 and i would like
469
00:39:19,839 –> 00:39:21,599
to point out that other board members
470
00:39:21,599 –> 00:39:23,280
who were unable to be here in person
471
00:39:23,280 –> 00:39:25,440
made arrangements to come and do it
472
00:39:25,440 –> 00:39:27,280
prior to the meeting
473
00:39:27,280 –> 00:39:29,440
i would also like to point out that it’s
474
00:39:29,440 –> 00:39:31,760
not when it’s convenient that you follow
475
00:39:31,760 –> 00:39:33,680
policy you either follow it or you don’t
476
00:39:33,680 –> 00:39:36,000
so if you want to state policy
477
00:39:36,000 –> 00:39:38,000
and use that as
478
00:39:38,000 –> 00:39:40,400
a reason to not proceed with
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something
480
00:39:41,440 –> 00:39:44,079
then that’s the way we do it and so it
481
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applies across the board
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00:39:46,960 –> 00:39:49,040
alan i would absolutely agree that
483
00:39:49,040 –> 00:39:51,200
policies apply across the board and i
484
00:39:51,200 –> 00:39:53,920
agree with dick that
485
00:39:53,920 –> 00:39:54,839
the
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00:39:54,839 –> 00:39:58,079
uh charter is is pretty clear it just
487
00:39:58,079 –> 00:39:59,839
uses the word shall
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00:39:59,839 –> 00:40:01,680
that’s very determinative
489
00:40:01,680 –> 00:40:03,040
and that
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00:40:03,040 –> 00:40:05,599
statement about the
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entitled devotee immediately follows
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00:40:09,119 –> 00:40:10,960
paragraph where it talks about this
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president
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not being entitled to a vote being an
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ex-official member and not entitled to a
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00:40:15,920 –> 00:40:18,079
vote as far as i can tell there’s no
497
00:40:18,079 –> 00:40:19,359
other
498
00:40:19,359 –> 00:40:21,760
uh mention in the charter
499
00:40:21,760 –> 00:40:25,119
of who is and who isn’t eligible to vote
500
00:40:25,119 –> 00:40:26,480
so it’s
501
00:40:26,480 –> 00:40:28,560
pretty clear to me that that we can’t
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00:40:28,560 –> 00:40:30,560
create policies
503
00:40:30,560 –> 00:40:31,520
that
504
00:40:31,520 –> 00:40:33,520
violate the charter we’d have to amend
505
00:40:33,520 –> 00:40:34,880
the charter first
506
00:40:34,880 –> 00:40:36,960
and then create the policy that followed
507
00:40:36,960 –> 00:40:40,160
the charter so pretty clear to me that
508
00:40:40,160 –> 00:40:42,560
if dick has a vote it’s pretty clear to
509
00:40:42,560 –> 00:40:44,160
me that policy is only followed when
510
00:40:44,160 –> 00:40:47,040
it’s convenient and
511
00:40:47,040 –> 00:40:48,720
if if everyone was so worried about it
512
00:40:48,720 –> 00:40:50,160
then why didn’t it come up last year
513
00:40:50,160 –> 00:40:53,839
when we created the policy
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[Applause]
515
00:40:57,680 –> 00:40:58,800
so
516
00:40:58,800 –> 00:41:01,280
thank you for your input i choose to
517
00:41:01,280 –> 00:41:03,520
adhere to what our general counsel is
518
00:41:03,520 –> 00:41:05,200
sharing with us since that is what he is
519
00:41:05,200 –> 00:41:06,880
hired to do and that is how i will
520
00:41:06,880 –> 00:41:08,880
proceed
521
00:41:08,880 –> 00:41:10,880
a point of
522
00:41:10,880 –> 00:41:12,960
trophies order information
523
00:41:12,960 –> 00:41:16,960
where in the powers of the chair is that
524
00:41:17,280 –> 00:41:19,359
where do they not
525
00:41:19,359 –> 00:41:21,760
well it could be a vote of the group
526
00:41:21,760 –> 00:41:23,040
if there’s not a
527
00:41:23,040 –> 00:41:24,800
designated power to the chair i’m not
528
00:41:24,800 –> 00:41:26,560
clear how the chair has the power to
529
00:41:26,560 –> 00:41:28,560
deny somebody about
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00:41:28,560 –> 00:41:30,560
uh it was the policy that this board
531
00:41:30,560 –> 00:41:33,680
voted on a year ago
532
00:41:33,680 –> 00:41:36,240
that denies the vote and so policy is in
533
00:41:36,240 –> 00:41:37,760
violation of the charter then it’s an
534
00:41:37,760 –> 00:41:39,760
invalid policy
535
00:41:39,760 –> 00:41:41,520
our general counsel just said it was not
536
00:41:41,520 –> 00:41:43,359
in violation of the charter in his
537
00:41:43,359 –> 00:41:47,359
opinion well that’s that’s his opinion
538
00:41:47,680 –> 00:41:51,280
it’s up to the board to decide yeah
539
00:41:51,280 –> 00:41:53,599
how about we resolve it with a vote well
540
00:41:53,599 –> 00:41:56,240
that’s super convenient alan really
541
00:41:56,240 –> 00:41:58,079
i don’t know why it’s super convenient
542
00:41:58,079 –> 00:41:59,839
well because i will just say that we’ve
543
00:41:59,839 –> 00:42:01,680
recently had an incident on this board
544
00:42:01,680 –> 00:42:03,920
where people hid behind policy
545
00:42:03,920 –> 00:42:05,760
where they insisted that we follow
546
00:42:05,760 –> 00:42:06,880
policy
547
00:42:06,880 –> 00:42:08,400
whether or not it was the right thing to
548
00:42:08,400 –> 00:42:09,119
do
549
00:42:09,119 –> 00:42:11,680
and now when it’s convenient to not
550
00:42:11,680 –> 00:42:13,920
follow policy
551
00:42:13,920 –> 00:42:15,200
then that’s what
552
00:42:15,200 –> 00:42:17,359
and dick was one of the ones
553
00:42:17,359 –> 00:42:19,200
spouting policy i’m not sure what you’re
554
00:42:19,200 –> 00:42:20,560
talking about you don’t know what i’m
555
00:42:20,560 –> 00:42:22,319
talking about that’s correct but i will
556
00:42:22,319 –> 00:42:23,520
assure you
557
00:42:23,520 –> 00:42:26,480
that the double standard in hypocrisy
558
00:42:26,480 –> 00:42:30,040
does not go unnoted
559
00:42:30,160 –> 00:42:31,280
i hear you
560
00:42:31,280 –> 00:42:33,520
uh wes can you please provide some
561
00:42:33,520 –> 00:42:35,520
guidance here because i don’t know i
562
00:42:35,520 –> 00:42:39,359
mean i’ll state again it’s um
563
00:42:39,680 –> 00:42:40,640
the
564
00:42:40,640 –> 00:42:42,000
the policy that was voted on and
565
00:42:42,000 –> 00:42:43,839
approved by this board unanimously in
566
00:42:43,839 –> 00:42:46,800
september of 2021
567
00:42:46,800 –> 00:42:48,640
does not contradict the charter the
568
00:42:48,640 –> 00:42:49,839
charter says
569
00:42:49,839 –> 00:42:51,920
any member any member who is entitled to
570
00:42:51,920 –> 00:42:52,800
a vote
571
00:42:52,800 –> 00:42:53,920
and
572
00:42:53,920 –> 00:42:56,319
that policy would indicate that if you
573
00:42:56,319 –> 00:42:58,640
don’t sign the ethics policies
574
00:42:58,640 –> 00:43:01,520
then you are not entitled to a vote um
575
00:43:01,520 –> 00:43:03,280
and i that’s
576
00:43:03,280 –> 00:43:04,880
that’s my it’s my recommendation that
577
00:43:04,880 –> 00:43:06,319
this board followed the policy that
578
00:43:06,319 –> 00:43:08,400
unanimous unanimously passed in
579
00:43:08,400 –> 00:43:10,000
september 2021 that’s just my
580
00:43:10,000 –> 00:43:13,000
recommendation
581
00:43:15,520 –> 00:43:16,400
jenny
582
00:43:16,400 –> 00:43:19,440
yeah um i’d like to see us move on i
583
00:43:19,440 –> 00:43:21,280
think the reality is
584
00:43:21,280 –> 00:43:23,839
dick has an open mic he will probably
585
00:43:23,839 –> 00:43:24,960
vote
586
00:43:24,960 –> 00:43:27,680
when he wants to vote but i think unless
587
00:43:27,680 –> 00:43:30,079
it’s a close vote it really doesn’t make
588
00:43:30,079 –> 00:43:32,000
any difference tonight
589
00:43:32,000 –> 00:43:33,920
while we work on this at some other
590
00:43:33,920 –> 00:43:36,079
point i hear what both sides are saying
591
00:43:36,079 –> 00:43:38,640
but i’d like to keep us moving on if
592
00:43:38,640 –> 00:43:40,160
possible
593
00:43:40,160 –> 00:43:42,160
if we wind up with a thai vote then
594
00:43:42,160 –> 00:43:44,880
we’ve got a problem but if we don’t
595
00:43:44,880 –> 00:43:46,960
let’s just move on you made your
596
00:43:46,960 –> 00:43:50,240
decision and we move on
597
00:43:50,240 –> 00:43:51,119
alan
598
00:43:51,119 –> 00:43:53,599
i’d just like to ask our general counsel
599
00:43:53,599 –> 00:43:56,319
if if this board passed a policy
600
00:43:56,319 –> 00:43:59,119
unanimously that said that only people
601
00:43:59,119 –> 00:44:01,280
who come from villages that start with
602
00:44:01,280 –> 00:44:03,440
the letter h
603
00:44:03,440 –> 00:44:05,200
can vote
604
00:44:05,200 –> 00:44:07,520
would you see that as in conformity with
605
00:44:07,520 –> 00:44:08,400
the charter
606
00:44:08,400 –> 00:44:10,480
at this time i’m not going to indulge in
607
00:44:10,480 –> 00:44:12,319
hypotheticals i’m going to speak only to
608
00:44:12,319 –> 00:44:14,160
the matter that’s before me and that
609
00:44:14,160 –> 00:44:16,160
matter is whether or not an individual
610
00:44:16,160 –> 00:44:16,960
who
611
00:44:16,960 –> 00:44:18,480
has not signed the ethics policies is
612
00:44:18,480 –> 00:44:20,800
permitted to vote in a board meeting so
613
00:44:20,800 –> 00:44:22,319
i’m i’ve given my recommendation and
614
00:44:22,319 –> 00:44:23,760
i’ll leave it at that
615
00:44:23,760 –> 00:44:25,680
ladies and gentlemen once again we’re in
616
00:44:25,680 –> 00:44:28,160
a catch-22 could we please move on
617
00:44:28,160 –> 00:44:30,240
you’ve heard what everybody has to say
618
00:44:30,240 –> 00:44:32,800
and the chair made a decision tell me
619
00:44:32,800 –> 00:44:34,240
we’d like to take over the meeting here
620
00:44:34,240 –> 00:44:38,319
no no we start on the agenda let’s go
621
00:44:38,880 –> 00:44:41,599
it matters if he can vote or not
622
00:44:41,599 –> 00:44:43,280
no the recording is the difference
623
00:44:43,280 –> 00:44:45,520
whether it’s recorded or not he will
624
00:44:45,520 –> 00:44:48,240
vote because he’s going to vote verbally
625
00:44:48,240 –> 00:44:50,079
you can’t do anything about that but
626
00:44:50,079 –> 00:44:52,240
whether it’s recorded or not and as i
627
00:44:52,240 –> 00:44:53,200
say
628
00:44:53,200 –> 00:44:54,800
if it’s not a close vote it doesn’t
629
00:44:54,800 –> 00:44:57,599
matter so let’s just uh move on we can
630
00:44:57,599 –> 00:45:00,480
deal with the policy at another time
631
00:45:00,480 –> 00:45:02,240
uh we’re not going to resolve it tonight
632
00:45:02,240 –> 00:45:04,880
there are two different points of view
633
00:45:04,880 –> 00:45:07,359
we need to take it up as a board as uh
634
00:45:07,359 –> 00:45:09,200
whether we want that policy or not or we
635
00:45:09,200 –> 00:45:10,960
want to clarify it but that shouldn’t be
636
00:45:10,960 –> 00:45:13,200
will not be done tonight am i missing
637
00:45:13,200 –> 00:45:14,800
something yeah you’re missing the
638
00:45:14,800 –> 00:45:17,200
precedent no i understand all that but
639
00:45:17,200 –> 00:45:18,800
let’s uh i
640
00:45:18,800 –> 00:45:20,960
i think it’s that’s a lousy precedent if
641
00:45:20,960 –> 00:45:22,000
we
642
00:45:22,000 –> 00:45:24,079
let this happen
643
00:45:24,079 –> 00:45:26,960
can we let me just say i i’m gonna hold
644
00:45:26,960 –> 00:45:29,680
off for now and i understand we have an
645
00:45:29,680 –> 00:45:32,000
election coming up for a new board chair
646
00:45:32,000 –> 00:45:36,640
and then let’s deal with it at that time
647
00:45:37,119 –> 00:45:40,800
okay okay let’s move on
648
00:45:45,280 –> 00:45:47,280
okay this meeting is being live streamed
649
00:45:47,280 –> 00:45:48,800
i’m not going to read all that again but
650
00:45:48,800 –> 00:45:52,640
i will be taking roll call
651
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:56,800
dick
652
00:45:56,800 –> 00:45:57,760
i’m here
653
00:45:57,760 –> 00:46:00,480
eric yeah brian
654
00:46:00,480 –> 00:46:02,960
here kevin here
655
00:46:02,960 –> 00:46:04,160
i am here
656
00:46:04,160 –> 00:46:07,440
is bill has biller joined us
657
00:46:07,440 –> 00:46:10,240
andy or alan here
658
00:46:10,240 –> 00:46:14,480
andy president jenny here sherry yeah
659
00:46:14,480 –> 00:46:17,440
lakey here
660
00:46:20,560 –> 00:46:22,240
okay can i have a motion to approve the
661
00:46:22,240 –> 00:46:24,000
agenda go moved
662
00:46:24,000 –> 00:46:29,000
okay jenny moves eric seconds
663
00:46:30,000 –> 00:46:30,880
any discussion
664
00:46:30,880 –> 00:46:32,640
[Music]
665
00:46:32,640 –> 00:46:35,359
any objection
666
00:46:36,640 –> 00:46:37,760
okay
667
00:46:37,760 –> 00:46:40,839
election of chair and vice chair of the
668
00:46:40,839 –> 00:46:45,760
board floor is open for nominations
669
00:46:46,079 –> 00:46:47,520
i nominate
670
00:46:47,520 –> 00:46:50,319
uh jenny thomas for like
671
00:46:50,319 –> 00:46:51,839
oh we’re going to start with chairs
672
00:46:51,839 –> 00:46:54,480
sorry that’s all right now it’s okay
673
00:46:54,480 –> 00:46:55,920
the boards have been on they start with
674
00:46:55,920 –> 00:46:57,280
vice chair and then they go to church
675
00:46:57,280 –> 00:46:59,839
sorry about that
676
00:46:59,839 –> 00:47:01,760
i could be wrong because you know
677
00:47:01,760 –> 00:47:04,400
no i think you think you’re correct
678
00:47:04,400 –> 00:47:06,880
sorry about all right can i i will
679
00:47:06,880 –> 00:47:11,160
accept nominations for chair
680
00:47:11,440 –> 00:47:13,920
i would like to nominate eric greenberg
681
00:47:13,920 –> 00:47:16,960
second except
682
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:20,800
i’d like to nominate andy stack
683
00:47:22,240 –> 00:47:25,040
do i have a second does a nomination
684
00:47:25,040 –> 00:47:27,359
require a second i guess it doesn’t no
685
00:47:27,359 –> 00:47:29,839
yeah doesn’t it no no no no i think no
686
00:47:29,839 –> 00:47:31,520
one just needs to be made
687
00:47:31,520 –> 00:47:33,280
okay i didn’t realize that
688
00:47:33,280 –> 00:47:34,960
okay aaron eric would you like to make a
689
00:47:34,960 –> 00:47:35,920
statement
690
00:47:35,920 –> 00:47:38,880
yeah i would so i’ve great i’ve only
691
00:47:38,880 –> 00:47:40,880
been on the board uh six months now but
692
00:47:40,880 –> 00:47:42,240
i think i’ve learned a lot on this board
693
00:47:42,240 –> 00:47:43,359
and i think i’ve got a lot of
694
00:47:43,359 –> 00:47:45,280
interesting ideas and i think the key
695
00:47:45,280 –> 00:47:47,440
thing for this board going forward is
696
00:47:47,440 –> 00:47:49,520
sending a message of unity and
697
00:47:49,520 –> 00:47:51,280
and collectiveness and being able to
698
00:47:51,280 –> 00:47:53,119
really work for
699
00:47:53,119 –> 00:47:55,920
all of colombia
700
00:47:56,960 –> 00:47:58,160
sorry
701
00:47:58,160 –> 00:47:59,760
andy
702
00:47:59,760 –> 00:48:02,640
um yeah i just uh i did send out an
703
00:48:02,640 –> 00:48:04,720
email to everybody saying
704
00:48:04,720 –> 00:48:06,640
what i would hope the next chair would
705
00:48:06,640 –> 00:48:07,440
do
706
00:48:07,440 –> 00:48:08,640
um
707
00:48:08,640 –> 00:48:10,240
and uh
708
00:48:10,240 –> 00:48:12,240
you know i do think that the important
709
00:48:12,240 –> 00:48:14,079
thing is to improve relations and
710
00:48:14,079 –> 00:48:16,160
communicate nations among
711
00:48:16,160 –> 00:48:18,800
the 11 board members and then the second
712
00:48:18,800 –> 00:48:21,200
is improved relations with the villages
713
00:48:21,200 –> 00:48:24,000
um and then third is um
714
00:48:24,000 –> 00:48:26,319
to lessen the burden on the chair give
715
00:48:26,319 –> 00:48:28,160
the vice chair more
716
00:48:28,160 –> 00:48:31,119
responsibilities officially um
717
00:48:31,119 –> 00:48:33,440
and i think that um
718
00:48:33,440 –> 00:48:35,920
one of the the difficulties we’ve had in
719
00:48:35,920 –> 00:48:37,119
the past
720
00:48:37,119 –> 00:48:39,680
has been
721
00:48:39,760 –> 00:48:42,079
i’ll say a lack of
722
00:48:42,079 –> 00:48:44,640
procedures
723
00:48:44,640 –> 00:48:46,800
necessarily following the procedures
724
00:48:46,800 –> 00:48:50,079
particularly for how we
725
00:48:50,079 –> 00:48:52,720
operate on the board and
726
00:48:52,720 –> 00:48:54,640
so i just put together
727
00:48:54,640 –> 00:48:56,880
a bunch of
728
00:48:56,880 –> 00:48:58,800
bullets that
729
00:48:58,800 –> 00:49:00,480
kind of reference the policies that
730
00:49:00,480 –> 00:49:02,400
we’ve done the procedures we’ve done
731
00:49:02,400 –> 00:49:04,640
over the past year and i would like to
732
00:49:04,640 –> 00:49:07,440
that we continue to do those and if i do
733
00:49:07,440 –> 00:49:09,200
get to be chair i will certainly
734
00:49:09,200 –> 00:49:10,319
continue
735
00:49:10,319 –> 00:49:11,599
um
736
00:49:11,599 –> 00:49:14,079
and i think
737
00:49:14,319 –> 00:49:18,079
they will help us focus much better on
738
00:49:18,079 –> 00:49:20,319
being productive
739
00:49:20,319 –> 00:49:24,079
thank you andy now in terms of um
740
00:49:24,079 –> 00:49:25,280
as i said the
741
00:49:25,280 –> 00:49:27,119
three things that i think need to focus
742
00:49:27,119 –> 00:49:28,960
on for at least the chair i mean in
743
00:49:28,960 –> 00:49:30,000
addition to just the usual
744
00:49:30,000 –> 00:49:31,760
administrative stuff is
745
00:49:31,760 –> 00:49:36,079
on improving the communications and
746
00:49:36,079 –> 00:49:37,520
the interaction among all the board
747
00:49:37,520 –> 00:49:41,200
members that’s really crucial
748
00:49:42,559 –> 00:49:44,720
so point of order how do we do we just
749
00:49:44,720 –> 00:49:47,200
take nominations first and then we vote
750
00:49:47,200 –> 00:49:48,960
yeah we just vote
751
00:49:48,960 –> 00:49:51,680
cool for everything at once though oh
752
00:49:51,680 –> 00:49:53,200
do we vote for everything he wants no i
753
00:49:53,200 –> 00:49:55,280
think we just we vote on each office we
754
00:49:55,280 –> 00:49:58,240
used to vote on a ballot i was just
755
00:49:58,240 –> 00:50:00,480
going to say it should be a closed
756
00:50:00,480 –> 00:50:01,359
ballot
757
00:50:01,359 –> 00:50:02,880
everyone should have a piece of paper
758
00:50:02,880 –> 00:50:05,440
and i believe you do the chair first and
759
00:50:05,440 –> 00:50:07,520
the vice chair second oh good so i can
760
00:50:07,520 –> 00:50:09,119
hand it over
761
00:50:09,119 –> 00:50:10,480
excellent
762
00:50:10,480 –> 00:50:14,240
um so i believe janet has a process for
763
00:50:14,240 –> 00:50:18,480
us and for those of you who are virtual
764
00:50:20,240 –> 00:50:24,359
uh can someone give her a mic
765
00:50:38,480 –> 00:50:41,040
send it to
766
00:50:43,680 –> 00:50:46,680
um
767
00:51:03,359 –> 00:51:05,839
janet laughlin i’m just i’m clarifying
768
00:51:05,839 –> 00:51:08,319
which janet janet longrein
769
00:51:08,319 –> 00:51:10,240
if you can just briefly describe that
770
00:51:10,240 –> 00:51:12,000
we’re going to vote by paper ballot and
771
00:51:12,000 –> 00:51:13,599
then what the people online are going to
772
00:51:13,599 –> 00:51:14,960
do
773
00:51:14,960 –> 00:51:18,079
um we are passing around paper ballots
774
00:51:18,079 –> 00:51:21,200
and each everyone will get a ballot
775
00:51:21,200 –> 00:51:25,040
please fill in the oval or check however
776
00:51:25,040 –> 00:51:27,839
your candidate of choice those ballots
777
00:51:27,839 –> 00:51:30,800
will be collected
778
00:51:30,800 –> 00:51:32,319
by the president
779
00:51:32,319 –> 00:51:37,640
and with the assistance of a
780
00:51:43,280 –> 00:51:46,079
who are attending virtually
781
00:51:46,079 –> 00:51:48,880
they are going to receive a link
782
00:51:48,880 –> 00:51:50,720
to the same ballot that you are
783
00:51:50,720 –> 00:51:52,000
receiving
784
00:51:52,000 –> 00:51:54,640
they will vote and those votes will be
785
00:51:54,640 –> 00:51:57,280
captured and put into
786
00:51:57,280 –> 00:51:59,200
an excel spreadsheet
787
00:51:59,200 –> 00:52:01,200
the excel spreadsheet will come to my
788
00:52:01,200 –> 00:52:03,440
computer and then i am going to share
789
00:52:03,440 –> 00:52:05,119
those results
790
00:52:05,119 –> 00:52:08,079
with um the president
791
00:52:08,079 –> 00:52:09,839
the senior vice president and the
792
00:52:09,839 –> 00:52:11,599
general counsel so that they will see
793
00:52:11,599 –> 00:52:13,280
the same information
794
00:52:13,280 –> 00:52:15,200
that i am seeing
795
00:52:15,200 –> 00:52:17,200
and for the purposes of those in
796
00:52:17,200 –> 00:52:20,480
attendance i will be glad to
797
00:52:20,480 –> 00:52:21,760
state
798
00:52:21,760 –> 00:52:24,880
which candidate or candidates received a
799
00:52:24,880 –> 00:52:28,880
vote from the virtual attendees
800
00:52:30,240 –> 00:52:32,319
point you’re going to say how the
801
00:52:32,319 –> 00:52:34,720
virtual attendees voted
802
00:52:34,720 –> 00:52:38,000
no there will not there are no names
803
00:52:38,000 –> 00:52:42,240
attached all i see is a time stamp and
804
00:52:42,240 –> 00:52:44,720
the name of the person from whom they
805
00:52:44,720 –> 00:52:47,280
voted i do not see
806
00:52:47,280 –> 00:52:49,839
which attendee voted for what person
807
00:52:49,839 –> 00:52:51,839
okay but if they both vote for the same
808
00:52:51,839 –> 00:52:53,760
person then we’ll know who they voted
809
00:52:53,760 –> 00:52:55,040
for
810
00:52:55,040 –> 00:52:57,119
so that’s correct i just hope none of us
811
00:52:57,119 –> 00:52:59,119
ask to see that because that’s not
812
00:52:59,119 –> 00:53:00,559
information we should have about who
813
00:53:00,559 –> 00:53:02,319
voted for what
814
00:53:02,319 –> 00:53:04,880
if i share it with the people
815
00:53:04,880 –> 00:53:08,000
don’t we add them all up together
816
00:53:08,000 –> 00:53:09,280
yeah yeah
817
00:53:09,280 –> 00:53:11,520
i hear you wanting to ensure that that
818
00:53:11,520 –> 00:53:13,599
we have confidence that everything’s on
819
00:53:13,599 –> 00:53:15,599
the up and up but
820
00:53:15,599 –> 00:53:18,880
i don’t i think it exposes people to
821
00:53:18,880 –> 00:53:20,559
whereas i mean unless we’re all going to
822
00:53:20,559 –> 00:53:22,319
share who we voted for then then we
823
00:53:22,319 –> 00:53:26,440
should all share who we voted for
824
00:53:31,520 –> 00:53:33,119
okay all right
825
00:53:33,119 –> 00:53:35,280
all right can you initiate the poll i’ll
826
00:53:35,280 –> 00:53:37,200
start to collect the ballots okay in the
827
00:53:37,200 –> 00:53:41,480
room so hold on
828
00:53:41,830 –> 00:53:43,440
[Applause]
829
00:53:43,440 –> 00:53:45,760
okay
830
00:53:50,559 –> 00:53:53,720
thank you
831
00:54:03,280 –> 00:54:05,440
another option janna would be just to
832
00:54:05,440 –> 00:54:07,680
put them in a chat in a breakout room
833
00:54:07,680 –> 00:54:08,880
with you and
834
00:54:08,880 –> 00:54:11,040
just
835
00:54:16,480 –> 00:54:20,200
that’s what we did in our village
836
00:54:27,040 –> 00:54:30,040
is
837
00:54:57,200 –> 00:55:00,200
uh
838
00:55:12,160 –> 00:55:15,160
so
839
00:55:26,570 –> 00:55:31,580
[Music]
840
00:55:44,880 –> 00:55:48,000
it’s only brian voting dick city
841
00:55:48,000 –> 00:55:50,079
uh dick and brian can you confirm that
842
00:55:50,079 –> 00:55:51,359
you’ve um
843
00:55:51,359 –> 00:55:54,240
executed your vote
844
00:55:54,240 –> 00:55:56,559
i i haven’t seen anything appear on my
845
00:55:56,559 –> 00:55:58,880
screen
846
00:56:01,040 –> 00:56:03,040
i got the email i didn’t receive it i’m
847
00:56:03,040 –> 00:56:05,280
just about to vote okay well let me uh
848
00:56:05,280 –> 00:56:07,040
thank you let me see if i can get an
849
00:56:07,040 –> 00:56:10,040
email
850
00:56:16,720 –> 00:56:20,520
okay i have an email
851
00:56:30,720 –> 00:56:33,720
okay
852
00:56:47,440 –> 00:56:50,440
yes
853
00:57:06,559 –> 00:57:09,599
okay we have a total of nine votes
854
00:57:09,599 –> 00:57:12,559
and eric greenberg is the new chair
855
00:57:12,559 –> 00:57:16,359
congratulations here
856
00:57:36,640 –> 00:57:39,640
yes
857
00:57:46,960 –> 00:57:49,960
so
858
00:58:09,760 –> 00:58:11,680
thank you can i please have a
859
00:58:11,680 –> 00:58:13,599
motion to accept nominations for vice
860
00:58:13,599 –> 00:58:15,839
chair
861
00:58:16,799 –> 00:58:19,799
solved
862
00:58:22,799 –> 00:58:24,319
do we have any nominations for vice
863
00:58:24,319 –> 00:58:26,160
chair
864
00:58:26,160 –> 00:58:28,480
i’ll go ahead
865
00:58:28,480 –> 00:58:31,119
got this backwards
866
00:58:31,119 –> 00:58:32,799
i uh
867
00:58:32,799 –> 00:58:35,040
move to have uh virginia thomas b vice
868
00:58:35,040 –> 00:58:36,720
share please
869
00:58:36,720 –> 00:58:38,960
second
870
00:58:40,000 –> 00:58:43,680
do you have any other nominations
871
00:58:45,119 –> 00:58:47,839
that case motion passes
872
00:58:47,839 –> 00:58:52,480
congratulations thank you thank you
873
00:58:56,400 –> 00:58:58,720
next on the agenda is um appointing of
874
00:58:58,720 –> 00:59:00,000
the audit committee
875
00:59:00,000 –> 00:59:01,839
um
876
00:59:01,839 –> 00:59:05,760
jackie tuma here oh
877
00:59:05,760 –> 00:59:09,520
yeah i just i just wanted to say um
878
00:59:09,520 –> 00:59:12,960
thank you to janet for her service as
879
00:59:12,960 –> 00:59:15,040
chair this past year
880
00:59:15,040 –> 00:59:18,640
i also want to recognize andy for his
881
00:59:18,640 –> 00:59:20,640
service to this board and to the
882
00:59:20,640 –> 00:59:23,440
columbia community he has been
883
00:59:23,440 –> 00:59:25,599
a major force
884
00:59:25,599 –> 00:59:28,720
for many many years we hope he continues
885
00:59:28,720 –> 00:59:31,440
um and we rely on him his prodigious
886
00:59:31,440 –> 00:59:32,640
memory
887
00:59:32,640 –> 00:59:35,280
and and history and his contribution
888
00:59:35,280 –> 00:59:37,760
here so i really want to say thank you
889
00:59:37,760 –> 00:59:40,720
to to all of the board members who
890
00:59:40,720 –> 00:59:42,160
um are very
891
00:59:42,160 –> 00:59:44,319
dedicated and committed
892
00:59:44,319 –> 00:59:46,799
to the columbia community and especially
893
00:59:46,799 –> 00:59:50,319
say thank you um for the new folks
894
00:59:50,319 –> 00:59:52,880
who are coming on the board welcome
895
00:59:52,880 –> 00:59:57,359
thank you congratulations eric thank you
896
00:59:57,520 –> 00:59:59,040
and thank you and thank you for that
897
00:59:59,040 –> 01:00:00,480
introduction um
898
01:00:00,480 –> 01:00:01,920
and as you can tell i’ve only been on
899
01:00:01,920 –> 01:00:04,319
the board six months and so one thing i
900
01:00:04,319 –> 01:00:06,559
will definitely help from is
901
01:00:06,559 –> 01:00:09,359
learning uh policies and procedures and
902
01:00:09,359 –> 01:00:10,880
i think it’d be definitely helpful to
903
01:00:10,880 –> 01:00:13,040
have someone on this board who’s whose
904
01:00:13,040 –> 01:00:14,480
role is to
905
01:00:14,480 –> 01:00:16,319
help the board enforce our policies and
906
01:00:16,319 –> 01:00:18,880
procedures
907
01:00:20,160 –> 01:00:21,440
can i get can i get a motion to
908
01:00:21,440 –> 01:00:23,599
establish the role of parliamentarian so
909
01:00:23,599 –> 01:00:25,920
moved
910
01:00:26,400 –> 01:00:28,720
is there a second
911
01:00:28,720 –> 01:00:30,160
second
912
01:00:30,160 –> 01:00:32,720
is there any discussion
913
01:00:32,720 –> 01:00:34,559
i guess i’d like to hear more about what
914
01:00:34,559 –> 01:00:36,240
yours or anybody else’s thoughts are
915
01:00:36,240 –> 01:00:37,200
about
916
01:00:37,200 –> 01:00:39,359
qualifications
917
01:00:39,359 –> 01:00:40,720
you know i don’t know i certainly don’t
918
01:00:40,720 –> 01:00:42,480
feel like i’m
919
01:00:42,480 –> 01:00:44,400
i’ve got the little robert jewels of
920
01:00:44,400 –> 01:00:46,319
order book that they gave us when i
921
01:00:46,319 –> 01:00:47,920
first became a board member some years
922
01:00:47,920 –> 01:00:49,440
ago but that doesn’t mean i’m an expert
923
01:00:49,440 –> 01:00:50,880
in the
924
01:00:50,880 –> 01:00:52,720
in the field well it’s more than just
925
01:00:52,720 –> 01:00:54,160
robert’s rules of order it’s also
926
01:00:54,160 –> 01:00:55,680
interpreting our own policies our own
927
01:00:55,680 –> 01:00:58,000
bylaws or on charter and
928
01:00:58,000 –> 01:01:00,079
helping us get through those situations
929
01:01:00,079 –> 01:01:02,559
where there might be confusion as far as
930
01:01:02,559 –> 01:01:04,400
what our policies are
931
01:01:04,400 –> 01:01:06,880
so if there comes an issue like we had
932
01:01:06,880 –> 01:01:08,880
earlier that could be referred to the
933
01:01:08,880 –> 01:01:10,960
parliamentarian for for an option for an
934
01:01:10,960 –> 01:01:13,520
opinion janet uh how could a board
935
01:01:13,520 –> 01:01:16,400
member determine that if we wanted to
936
01:01:16,400 –> 01:01:18,240
accept the guidance of our general
937
01:01:18,240 –> 01:01:20,720
counsel
938
01:01:21,920 –> 01:01:23,440
helen i
939
01:01:23,440 –> 01:01:24,640
have the same
940
01:01:24,640 –> 01:01:25,520
thought
941
01:01:25,520 –> 01:01:27,920
a different ending you know it’s like
942
01:01:27,920 –> 01:01:30,640
if it’s if it’s one of us who does that
943
01:01:30,640 –> 01:01:33,200
i guess i’d be concerned that
944
01:01:33,200 –> 01:01:35,200
that person would have a position
945
01:01:35,200 –> 01:01:37,520
and that that position might
946
01:01:37,520 –> 01:01:39,040
advertently or inadvertently get in the
947
01:01:39,040 –> 01:01:40,559
way of being an even-handed
948
01:01:40,559 –> 01:01:43,440
parliamentarian
949
01:01:43,440 –> 01:01:44,559
sherry
950
01:01:44,559 –> 01:01:46,400
yeah um i see the role of
951
01:01:46,400 –> 01:01:49,359
parliamentarian not as a formal
952
01:01:49,359 –> 01:01:51,680
physician for the ward but as a helping
953
01:01:51,680 –> 01:01:53,760
position for the board just like we have
954
01:01:53,760 –> 01:01:56,079
a time keeper
955
01:01:56,079 –> 01:01:58,400
one of the issues has been
956
01:01:58,400 –> 01:02:01,920
to keep the board focused on the topics
957
01:02:01,920 –> 01:02:03,760
on the agenda
958
01:02:03,760 –> 01:02:05,200
and we have gotten to the point
959
01:02:05,200 –> 01:02:08,240
sometimes where we’ve had a discussion
960
01:02:08,240 –> 01:02:11,359
um then we come back and we’re not sure
961
01:02:11,359 –> 01:02:14,400
um what we’ve actually discussed or
962
01:02:14,400 –> 01:02:17,200
whether or not there was conce excuse me
963
01:02:17,200 –> 01:02:20,559
whether or not there was consensus
964
01:02:20,559 –> 01:02:23,599
where we were in times
965
01:02:23,599 –> 01:02:26,960
in terms of the discussion
966
01:02:27,280 –> 01:02:29,039
and the
967
01:02:29,039 –> 01:02:32,480
ca used to have a parliamentarian
968
01:02:32,480 –> 01:02:34,960
so that the board would not get bogged
969
01:02:34,960 –> 01:02:37,680
down if an issue came up and the board
970
01:02:37,680 –> 01:02:39,599
already had a policy
971
01:02:39,599 –> 01:02:42,400
it was possible to say for example yes
972
01:02:42,400 –> 01:02:45,839
we have a policy on xyz by using the
973
01:02:45,839 –> 01:02:47,119
policy
974
01:02:47,119 –> 01:02:48,480
book
975
01:02:48,480 –> 01:02:50,799
so i see that as being more of a
976
01:02:50,799 –> 01:02:52,920
function where the the as a
977
01:02:52,920 –> 01:02:55,359
self-regulating group
978
01:02:55,359 –> 01:02:57,200
the board
979
01:02:57,200 –> 01:02:59,440
manages itself
980
01:02:59,440 –> 01:03:02,160
without getting into the minutes which
981
01:03:02,160 –> 01:03:04,319
are which are votes
982
01:03:04,319 –> 01:03:06,960
but keeping track of where we are in
983
01:03:06,960 –> 01:03:09,760
terms of discussion of topics
984
01:03:09,760 –> 01:03:12,240
um i think that would cut out a lot of
985
01:03:12,240 –> 01:03:13,680
repetition
986
01:03:13,680 –> 01:03:14,839
a lot of
987
01:03:14,839 –> 01:03:17,680
um you know people remember things
988
01:03:17,680 –> 01:03:20,880
differently and when we end a topic
989
01:03:20,880 –> 01:03:21,760
um
990
01:03:21,760 –> 01:03:23,200
on the agenda
991
01:03:23,200 –> 01:03:25,680
just to be able to do a summary
992
01:03:25,680 –> 01:03:28,400
in terms of this is what i heard
993
01:03:28,400 –> 01:03:30,400
and make a correction if correction
994
01:03:30,400 –> 01:03:32,960
needs to be made immediately and then
995
01:03:32,960 –> 01:03:36,960
send a summary in effect to the chair
996
01:03:36,960 –> 01:03:39,119
and then the board knows where we’re
997
01:03:39,119 –> 01:03:41,440
starting next that’s what i’m thinking
998
01:03:41,440 –> 01:03:42,839
of kevin
999
01:03:42,839 –> 01:03:45,599
um my understanding of parliamentarian
1000
01:03:45,599 –> 01:03:47,760
from my last other positions related to
1001
01:03:47,760 –> 01:03:50,240
boards was that’s a staff position
1002
01:03:50,240 –> 01:03:52,000
but perhaps we can do
1003
01:03:52,000 –> 01:03:54,079
you know a short subcommittee to discuss
1004
01:03:54,079 –> 01:03:56,400
this separately from our board meeting
1005
01:03:56,400 –> 01:03:58,160
to see if there’s any rules that we want
1006
01:03:58,160 –> 01:04:00,640
to change
1007
01:04:01,359 –> 01:04:02,559
andy
1008
01:04:02,559 –> 01:04:03,680
i mean
1009
01:04:03,680 –> 01:04:04,640
i gotta
1010
01:04:04,640 –> 01:04:07,200
agree with with janet and alan that
1011
01:04:07,200 –> 01:04:08,799
i just think it
1012
01:04:08,799 –> 01:04:11,039
trying to do everything that chari and
1013
01:04:11,039 –> 01:04:12,720
the parliamentarian has been described
1014
01:04:12,720 –> 01:04:14,640
as is going to be very difficult for a
1015
01:04:14,640 –> 01:04:17,359
board member um because you know you’ll
1016
01:04:17,359 –> 01:04:18,799
find you’ll find you know even when your
1017
01:04:18,799 –> 01:04:19,760
chair
1018
01:04:19,760 –> 01:04:22,000
trying to just even keep track
1019
01:04:22,000 –> 01:04:24,880
of what’s going on who’s speaking
1020
01:04:24,880 –> 01:04:27,039
makes it very very difficult and and i
1021
01:04:27,039 –> 01:04:29,359
have the same thing that experience that
1022
01:04:29,359 –> 01:04:30,880
kevin is is generally the
1023
01:04:30,880 –> 01:04:33,760
parliamentarian is someone else who can
1024
01:04:33,760 –> 01:04:35,359
kind of sit
1025
01:04:35,359 –> 01:04:38,880
and and and watch what we’re doing um
1026
01:04:38,880 –> 01:04:40,799
and and so i i do like the idea that
1027
01:04:40,799 –> 01:04:43,440
maybe we just need to
1028
01:04:43,440 –> 01:04:45,359
better specify
1029
01:04:45,359 –> 01:04:46,319
the
1030
01:04:46,319 –> 01:04:48,799
the position and what we want to do and
1031
01:04:48,799 –> 01:04:51,280
how we think it should be staffed but
1032
01:04:51,280 –> 01:04:53,680
i have concerns about it being a board
1033
01:04:53,680 –> 01:04:55,839
member
1034
01:04:56,400 –> 01:05:00,640
alan dick has his hand up oh dick
1035
01:05:00,640 –> 01:05:01,680
i
1036
01:05:01,680 –> 01:05:02,799
like the idea of having a
1037
01:05:02,799 –> 01:05:05,520
parliamentarian and
1038
01:05:05,520 –> 01:05:07,920
i would also suggest that
1039
01:05:07,920 –> 01:05:11,680
sherry having been a board chair at one
1040
01:05:11,680 –> 01:05:14,880
point and having that kind of experience
1041
01:05:14,880 –> 01:05:17,359
would be very helpful to us
1042
01:05:17,359 –> 01:05:21,200
and particularly very helpful to eric
1043
01:05:21,200 –> 01:05:24,480
since uh she has had that role before
1044
01:05:24,480 –> 01:05:26,720
and i think the parliamentarian
1045
01:05:26,720 –> 01:05:28,960
definitely has to be a member of the
1046
01:05:28,960 –> 01:05:30,720
board um
1047
01:05:30,720 –> 01:05:33,039
we need somebody we can
1048
01:05:33,039 –> 01:05:34,000
uh
1049
01:05:34,000 –> 01:05:37,839
we know and can rely on
1050
01:05:39,839 –> 01:05:41,520
yeah
1051
01:05:41,520 –> 01:05:44,079
to add to what kevin was saying um i
1052
01:05:44,079 –> 01:05:46,640
guess i would also see this role as
1053
01:05:46,640 –> 01:05:49,119
somebody that would had a subcommittee
1054
01:05:49,119 –> 01:05:51,280
to look at all of our procedures or
1055
01:05:51,280 –> 01:05:53,920
board procedures make sure they’re very
1056
01:05:53,920 –> 01:05:55,839
clear and that they’re accessible not
1057
01:05:55,839 –> 01:05:58,240
just to the board but to the public and
1058
01:05:58,240 –> 01:06:00,640
make any recommendations for changing
1059
01:06:00,640 –> 01:06:02,799
how we’re functioning
1060
01:06:02,799 –> 01:06:05,119
so i would see that as one of the roles
1061
01:06:05,119 –> 01:06:07,520
of somebody that it may if
1062
01:06:07,520 –> 01:06:10,799
serves in this position
1063
01:06:10,880 –> 01:06:12,559
i guess i would like to suggest that we
1064
01:06:12,559 –> 01:06:14,000
i don’t know if the proper word is table
1065
01:06:14,000 –> 01:06:15,280
but just
1066
01:06:15,280 –> 01:06:16,960
i think sort of adding this to our
1067
01:06:16,960 –> 01:06:18,880
agenda tonight and then deciding on it
1068
01:06:18,880 –> 01:06:21,119
feels to me like a
1069
01:06:21,119 –> 01:06:23,119
that would be rushing into it imovie
1070
01:06:23,119 –> 01:06:24,240
table
1071
01:06:24,240 –> 01:06:26,240
okay there’s a motion a table
1072
01:06:26,240 –> 01:06:28,720
um okay
1073
01:06:28,720 –> 01:06:30,839
okay all in favor of
1074
01:06:30,839 –> 01:06:34,559
tabling okay five one
1075
01:06:34,559 –> 01:06:37,839
one two three
1076
01:06:39,760 –> 01:06:42,319
one two three four kevin three
1077
01:06:42,319 –> 01:06:44,799
five six
1078
01:06:44,799 –> 01:06:48,559
oh i’ll oppose disabling
1079
01:06:48,640 –> 01:06:50,319
motion is tabled
1080
01:06:50,319 –> 01:06:55,039
did brian vote what ryan did vote yes
1081
01:06:56,960 –> 01:06:58,960
okay
1082
01:06:58,960 –> 01:07:00,400
excuse me i’m sorry
1083
01:07:00,400 –> 01:07:04,400
um can you tell me um who actually um
1084
01:07:04,400 –> 01:07:06,960
seconded the motion to have the role of
1085
01:07:06,960 –> 01:07:08,480
parliamentarium
1086
01:07:08,480 –> 01:07:11,280
i know jenny made the motion i didn’t
1087
01:07:11,280 –> 01:07:14,760
catch the second
1088
01:07:15,520 –> 01:07:17,520
i have a note of kevin fitzgerald in my
1089
01:07:17,520 –> 01:07:18,640
notes
1090
01:07:18,640 –> 01:07:22,160
i think it’s kevin yeah thank you
1091
01:07:24,480 –> 01:07:27,920
okay next next on the agenda is the
1092
01:07:27,920 –> 01:07:31,760
establishment of the audit committee um
1093
01:07:31,760 –> 01:07:34,400
jackie online
1094
01:07:36,880 –> 01:07:40,000
so you so i’d like to have a um oh
1095
01:07:40,000 –> 01:07:42,400
so could you hello could you provide a
1096
01:07:42,400 –> 01:07:44,160
few words on describing what the audit
1097
01:07:44,160 –> 01:07:46,000
committee is and what it does
1098
01:07:46,000 –> 01:07:47,440
please
1099
01:07:47,440 –> 01:07:50,319
i certainly can i’ll read from
1100
01:07:50,319 –> 01:07:52,319
the audit committee charter which is
1101
01:07:52,319 –> 01:07:53,280
also
1102
01:07:53,280 –> 01:07:55,280
on ca’s website that the purpose of the
1103
01:07:55,280 –> 01:07:56,960
audit committee is to assist the board
1104
01:07:56,960 –> 01:07:58,799
and direct of directors in fulfilling
1105
01:07:58,799 –> 01:08:01,119
its oversight responsibilities
1106
01:08:01,119 –> 01:08:03,359
for the financial reporting process the
1107
01:08:03,359 –> 01:08:05,440
systems of internal control the audit
1108
01:08:05,440 –> 01:08:08,079
process and the ethics program
1109
01:08:08,079 –> 01:08:10,400
the committee consists of five people
1110
01:08:10,400 –> 01:08:11,359
two
1111
01:08:11,359 –> 01:08:14,160
community members that fit the
1112
01:08:14,160 –> 01:08:16,399
designation of financial experts they
1113
01:08:16,399 –> 01:08:18,080
are both in place
1114
01:08:18,080 –> 01:08:19,600
and then three
1115
01:08:19,600 –> 01:08:22,560
members of the board
1116
01:08:22,560 –> 01:08:24,238
it’s strongly preferred that any board
1117
01:08:24,238 –> 01:08:26,399
member with financial expertise serve on
1118
01:08:26,399 –> 01:08:28,479
the chart on the audit committee
1119
01:08:28,479 –> 01:08:30,399
and read one other thing from the
1120
01:08:30,399 –> 01:08:31,679
charter that
1121
01:08:31,679 –> 01:08:34,000
at least one of the board
1122
01:08:34,000 –> 01:08:35,359
committee members should remain
1123
01:08:35,359 –> 01:08:37,520
consistent from year to year so
1124
01:08:37,520 –> 01:08:40,399
consistency is um
1125
01:08:40,399 –> 01:08:43,838
important on this committee
1126
01:08:45,040 –> 01:08:47,759
so as far as consistency uh currently we
1127
01:08:47,759 –> 01:08:50,080
um i have served on the
1128
01:08:50,080 –> 01:08:52,640
past previous year in addition dick and
1129
01:08:52,640 –> 01:08:54,560
andy also served on this past previous
1130
01:08:54,560 –> 01:08:55,359
year
1131
01:08:55,359 –> 01:08:56,158
um
1132
01:08:56,158 –> 01:08:58,238
given that do we have any volunteers to
1133
01:08:58,238 –> 01:09:01,358
be on the audit committee
1134
01:09:02,560 –> 01:09:06,759
okay kevin got andy
1135
01:09:07,198 –> 01:09:10,000
and uh i think bill santos
1136
01:09:10,000 –> 01:09:13,920
yeah he said he wanted to be on it
1137
01:09:14,479 –> 01:09:19,559
and uh i don’t know dick dick did you
1138
01:09:22,238 –> 01:09:24,479
i enjoyed being on it but i think uh
1139
01:09:24,479 –> 01:09:27,120
first of all andy uh because of the
1140
01:09:27,120 –> 01:09:31,120
current situation needs to stay on
1141
01:09:31,120 –> 01:09:34,520
and uh
1142
01:09:36,158 –> 01:09:38,479
and i’d be glad to serve if if you need
1143
01:09:38,479 –> 01:09:40,640
another member but uh
1144
01:09:40,640 –> 01:09:44,640
i’ll leave that up to the board
1145
01:09:45,439 –> 01:09:46,839
so are you
1146
01:09:46,839 –> 01:09:50,238
volunteering yeah volunteer
1147
01:09:50,238 –> 01:09:51,520
okay
1148
01:09:51,520 –> 01:09:53,279
so right right now there’s four people
1149
01:09:53,279 –> 01:09:55,120
that uh volunteered for the audit
1150
01:09:55,120 –> 01:09:56,320
committee
1151
01:09:56,320 –> 01:09:58,960
well then i’ll i’m gonna unvoluntar okay
1152
01:09:58,960 –> 01:10:00,800
so there’s three people that currently
1153
01:10:00,800 –> 01:10:02,960
volunteered for the audit committee
1154
01:10:02,960 –> 01:10:07,360
that would be kevin andy and bill santos
1155
01:10:07,520 –> 01:10:09,280
assuming there no objections
1156
01:10:09,280 –> 01:10:10,480
congratulations you’re now members of
1157
01:10:10,480 –> 01:10:13,199
the audit committee
1158
01:10:14,080 –> 01:10:16,560
ex-committee is the risk management
1159
01:10:16,560 –> 01:10:18,640
committee um susan could you give a
1160
01:10:18,640 –> 01:10:19,679
description of the risk management
1161
01:10:19,679 –> 01:10:21,280
committee
1162
01:10:21,280 –> 01:10:24,320
sure so the risk management committee
1163
01:10:24,320 –> 01:10:26,480
is responsible for administering ca’s
1164
01:10:26,480 –> 01:10:29,520
general liability self-insurance program
1165
01:10:29,520 –> 01:10:32,480
that includes a 6.6 million dollar
1166
01:10:32,480 –> 01:10:34,640
trust fund and
1167
01:10:34,640 –> 01:10:37,360
uh it is the um
1168
01:10:37,360 –> 01:10:40,000
first million dollars of exposure for
1169
01:10:40,000 –> 01:10:42,840
general liability incidents which are
1170
01:10:42,840 –> 01:10:47,280
uh incidents related to personal injury
1171
01:10:47,280 –> 01:10:49,920
and property damage
1172
01:10:49,920 –> 01:10:50,719
that
1173
01:10:50,719 –> 01:10:51,840
occur
1174
01:10:51,840 –> 01:10:54,800
to people who are not employees
1175
01:10:54,800 –> 01:10:57,280
so it’s a response the committee is made
1176
01:10:57,280 –> 01:10:58,480
up of
1177
01:10:58,480 –> 01:11:02,000
uh myself uh an ex officio chair the
1178
01:11:02,000 –> 01:11:03,520
president ceo
1179
01:11:03,520 –> 01:11:06,080
an an external uh industry expert a
1180
01:11:06,080 –> 01:11:09,440
resident um and the uh general counsel
1181
01:11:09,440 –> 01:11:11,679
services secretary then there are three
1182
01:11:11,679 –> 01:11:13,040
board members
1183
01:11:13,040 –> 01:11:15,199
that the board selects the committee
1184
01:11:15,199 –> 01:11:16,719
handles uh
1185
01:11:16,719 –> 01:11:19,920
extremely sensitive personal information
1186
01:11:19,920 –> 01:11:22,000
and
1187
01:11:22,000 –> 01:11:23,920
and also is in
1188
01:11:23,920 –> 01:11:25,840
conducting itself in accordance with
1189
01:11:25,840 –> 01:11:28,239
agreements with third parties
1190
01:11:28,239 –> 01:11:29,440
thank you
1191
01:11:29,440 –> 01:11:31,360
so do we have any volunteers to join the
1192
01:11:31,360 –> 01:11:34,080
risk committee
1193
01:11:34,080 –> 01:11:36,480
janet
1194
01:11:38,320 –> 01:11:43,280
allen and brian was interested now
1195
01:11:44,320 –> 01:11:45,360
are you interested in the audit
1196
01:11:45,360 –> 01:11:49,040
committee or the uh first committee
1197
01:11:51,600 –> 01:11:53,360
i’m not sure if i’m going to be a good
1198
01:11:53,360 –> 01:11:55,280
fit for that committee not
1199
01:11:55,280 –> 01:11:56,159
my
1200
01:11:56,159 –> 01:11:58,960
from the description you’ve described
1201
01:11:58,960 –> 01:12:01,679
so i’m not putting my name forward
1202
01:12:01,679 –> 01:12:02,800
okay
1203
01:12:02,800 –> 01:12:05,440
how about that
1204
01:12:05,679 –> 01:12:07,760
how about dick as a third member dick
1205
01:12:07,760 –> 01:12:08,640
would you be interested in joining the
1206
01:12:08,640 –> 01:12:10,960
risk committee
1207
01:12:10,960 –> 01:12:14,640
do you need me i’ll i’ll jump in
1208
01:12:14,640 –> 01:12:16,800
this isn’t i i need to i would like to
1209
01:12:16,800 –> 01:12:18,719
make another uh just statement about
1210
01:12:18,719 –> 01:12:21,920
this so i would ask that the ca board
1211
01:12:21,920 –> 01:12:24,320
not select alan klein to be a member of
1212
01:12:24,320 –> 01:12:26,480
the risk management committee
1213
01:12:26,480 –> 01:12:28,560
i make the request in accordance with my
1214
01:12:28,560 –> 01:12:31,360
duties as a long-time officer for ca and
1215
01:12:31,360 –> 01:12:32,880
the senior vice president and as the
1216
01:12:32,880 –> 01:12:33,760
chair
1217
01:12:33,760 –> 01:12:36,159
i did note that there is access to
1218
01:12:36,159 –> 01:12:38,000
extremely sensitive information for
1219
01:12:38,000 –> 01:12:39,440
individuals
1220
01:12:39,440 –> 01:12:41,199
including community members and ca
1221
01:12:41,199 –> 01:12:42,640
employees
1222
01:12:42,640 –> 01:12:44,480
individuals provide
1223
01:12:44,480 –> 01:12:46,560
pii personally
1224
01:12:46,560 –> 01:12:48,480
identifiable information and participate
1225
01:12:48,480 –> 01:12:51,040
in investigations etc and the normative
1226
01:12:51,040 –> 01:12:53,120
expectation is that their information
1227
01:12:53,120 –> 01:12:54,480
would be used and maintained in
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01:12:54,480 –> 01:12:57,600
accordance with ca’s ethics policies
1229
01:12:57,600 –> 01:13:00,239
also the administration of the trust
1230
01:13:00,239 –> 01:13:02,800
is with a third-party trusted
1231
01:13:02,800 –> 01:13:05,280
trustee and again their expectation
1232
01:13:05,280 –> 01:13:07,040
would be uh
1233
01:13:07,040 –> 01:13:08,800
that all parties conduct themselves in
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01:13:08,800 –> 01:13:11,280
accordance with the policies and so
1235
01:13:11,280 –> 01:13:13,199
uh in my uh
1236
01:13:13,199 –> 01:13:15,040
alignment uh with alignment with my
1237
01:13:15,040 –> 01:13:17,120
duties is a long time
1238
01:13:17,120 –> 01:13:19,440
ca officer and senior leader and as
1239
01:13:19,440 –> 01:13:21,920
chair of the risk management committee
1240
01:13:21,920 –> 01:13:24,320
i have to recommend that mr klein not
1241
01:13:24,320 –> 01:13:26,640
serve as a member of that committee um
1242
01:13:26,640 –> 01:13:28,880
that he disqualified himself
1243
01:13:28,880 –> 01:13:30,320
from being entrusted with such a
1244
01:13:30,320 –> 01:13:31,600
position
1245
01:13:31,600 –> 01:13:34,000
by the the non-transparent and
1246
01:13:34,000 –> 01:13:36,480
unauthorized and hidden refusal to agree
1247
01:13:36,480 –> 01:13:37,280
to
1248
01:13:37,280 –> 01:13:39,040
conduct himself in accordance with those
1249
01:13:39,040 –> 01:13:41,280
policies for at least four years
1250
01:13:41,280 –> 01:13:45,440
and other previous ethics violations
1251
01:13:46,560 –> 01:13:50,640
you want to comment um i’ll wait
1252
01:13:51,199 –> 01:13:53,600
i never
1253
01:13:54,159 –> 01:13:56,320
refused to conduct myself in accordance
1254
01:13:56,320 –> 01:13:57,920
with those policies and i never didn’t
1255
01:13:57,920 –> 01:13:59,679
conduct myself in accordance with those
1256
01:13:59,679 –> 01:14:02,800
policies i refused to sign
1257
01:14:02,800 –> 01:14:05,040
a statement saying that i would
1258
01:14:05,040 –> 01:14:07,840
those are two different things
1259
01:14:07,840 –> 01:14:11,280
i’m a little surprised at this
1260
01:14:11,760 –> 01:14:14,719
the case came before this board
1261
01:14:14,719 –> 01:14:16,320
there was a
1262
01:14:16,320 –> 01:14:19,280
if you will with a small t trial
1263
01:14:19,280 –> 01:14:21,280
there was a consequence that was meted
1264
01:14:21,280 –> 01:14:22,960
out by this board
1265
01:14:22,960 –> 01:14:27,320
to add further to that consequence
1266
01:14:35,840 –> 01:14:37,840
yes i can vouch for
1267
01:14:37,840 –> 01:14:39,679
alan he is probably one of the most
1268
01:14:39,679 –> 01:14:42,239
honorable people i know one of the most
1269
01:14:42,239 –> 01:14:44,960
ethical and moral people i know on the
1270
01:14:44,960 –> 01:14:46,239
board
1271
01:14:46,239 –> 01:14:48,800
he uh
1272
01:14:48,800 –> 01:14:52,080
his supposed violation was just taken
1273
01:14:52,080 –> 01:14:54,400
totally out of proportion
1274
01:14:54,400 –> 01:14:58,239
and uh i i just can’t accept that
1275
01:14:58,239 –> 01:15:00,800
comment about him he is uh
1276
01:15:00,800 –> 01:15:03,280
he’s he’s totally trustworthy totally
1277
01:15:03,280 –> 01:15:04,560
trustworthy
1278
01:15:04,560 –> 01:15:05,760
and uh
1279
01:15:05,760 –> 01:15:07,120
i i
1280
01:15:07,120 –> 01:15:08,960
i’m just appalled the way he’s been
1281
01:15:08,960 –> 01:15:11,600
treated not only while he was on the
1282
01:15:11,600 –> 01:15:13,600
board but after he was on the board and
1283
01:15:13,600 –> 01:15:15,280
while he was running
1284
01:15:15,280 –> 01:15:18,320
for election to the board uh i i seen
1285
01:15:18,320 –> 01:15:21,440
absolutely no bar for him to be
1286
01:15:21,440 –> 01:15:23,280
not accepted
1287
01:15:23,280 –> 01:15:25,040
on the risk committee
1288
01:15:25,040 –> 01:15:27,360
brian
1289
01:15:30,320 –> 01:15:31,920
yes i want to
1290
01:15:31,920 –> 01:15:34,000
support just what dick said i’ve known
1291
01:15:34,000 –> 01:15:36,239
adam for many many years the idea that
1292
01:15:36,239 –> 01:15:38,000
he’s unethical he’s absolutely
1293
01:15:38,000 –> 01:15:40,560
ridiculous and i think he’d be a good
1294
01:15:40,560 –> 01:15:42,960
person to be on that committee so i
1295
01:15:42,960 –> 01:15:45,040
think i think we should move on from
1296
01:15:45,040 –> 01:15:47,679
that as alan said he had his so-called
1297
01:15:47,679 –> 01:15:50,880
punishment and a lot more afterwards so
1298
01:15:50,880 –> 01:15:52,800
i strongly support
1299
01:15:52,800 –> 01:15:56,239
that allen should be on this committee
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01:15:56,239 –> 01:15:58,640
and i’d also like to welcome bill santos
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01:15:58,640 –> 01:16:00,159
into the meeting
1302
01:16:00,159 –> 01:16:02,719
hi everybody hey hi bill
1303
01:16:02,719 –> 01:16:03,920
hi bill
1304
01:16:03,920 –> 01:16:06,159
and you’ve been on appointed to the
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01:16:06,159 –> 01:16:07,520
audit committee
1306
01:16:07,520 –> 01:16:10,960
oh great great news thank you
1307
01:16:11,920 –> 01:16:14,800
jenny do you have any uh uh thoughts
1308
01:16:14,800 –> 01:16:16,800
this is turning into a pretty difficult
1309
01:16:16,800 –> 01:16:18,840
meeting um
1310
01:16:18,840 –> 01:16:22,400
we’re we’re assuming somebody’s going to
1311
01:16:22,400 –> 01:16:24,320
do something and they
1312
01:16:24,320 –> 01:16:26,080
haven’t done anything
1313
01:16:26,080 –> 01:16:28,400
in the at the risk committee uh and
1314
01:16:28,400 –> 01:16:30,960
we’re sort of saying they’re guilty
1315
01:16:30,960 –> 01:16:33,440
before they even get on it
1316
01:16:33,440 –> 01:16:36,719
is a very difficult situation and uh i’m
1317
01:16:36,719 –> 01:16:38,800
just worried about
1318
01:16:38,800 –> 01:16:41,920
whether we’re condemning somebody uh i i
1319
01:16:41,920 –> 01:16:44,640
just find it i just can’t go along with
1320
01:16:44,640 –> 01:16:46,800
that
1321
01:16:47,120 –> 01:16:49,040
and if i could just add that ms crabby
1322
01:16:49,040 –> 01:16:50,640
knows that i served
1323
01:16:50,640 –> 01:16:52,880
two years of honorable service on the
1324
01:16:52,880 –> 01:16:56,000
risk management committee under her
1325
01:16:56,000 –> 01:16:58,080
chairship
1326
01:16:58,080 –> 01:16:59,920
sir
1327
01:16:59,920 –> 01:17:03,120
susan so i can only go with what i have
1328
01:17:03,120 –> 01:17:07,199
exp uh observed and experienced and i
1329
01:17:07,199 –> 01:17:10,560
i uh see the
1330
01:17:10,880 –> 01:17:13,600
the matter with the with the policies as
1331
01:17:13,600 –> 01:17:16,000
as serious and just cast and question
1332
01:17:16,000 –> 01:17:17,580
whether or not
1333
01:17:17,580 –> 01:17:19,360
[Music]
1334
01:17:19,360 –> 01:17:21,920
i have no i now feel i have no idea
1335
01:17:21,920 –> 01:17:24,000
whether that behavior was in accordance
1336
01:17:24,000 –> 01:17:25,920
with those policies or not
1337
01:17:25,920 –> 01:17:28,000
and i have no confidence
1338
01:17:28,000 –> 01:17:30,719
whether it would continue to be
1339
01:17:30,719 –> 01:17:33,840
and i feel that i it’s my responsibility
1340
01:17:33,840 –> 01:17:36,000
to speak up on behalf of
1341
01:17:36,000 –> 01:17:38,800
of the individuals who uh would be
1342
01:17:38,800 –> 01:17:40,400
trusting us with
1343
01:17:40,400 –> 01:17:43,280
these circumstances and with these other
1344
01:17:43,280 –> 01:17:45,840
organizations that expect
1345
01:17:45,840 –> 01:17:47,120
a certain
1346
01:17:47,120 –> 01:17:50,080
code of behavior and i just don’t know
1347
01:17:50,080 –> 01:17:52,480
i feel that that’s cast into question
1348
01:17:52,480 –> 01:17:54,880
uh whether that would occur or not and i
1349
01:17:54,880 –> 01:17:56,800
would like to make it clear that this is
1350
01:17:56,800 –> 01:17:59,199
uh
1351
01:17:59,199 –> 01:18:03,199
brings me zero uh joy and is quite
1352
01:18:03,199 –> 01:18:06,159
difficult and that uh this was my
1353
01:18:06,159 –> 01:18:07,760
independent
1354
01:18:07,760 –> 01:18:08,640
uh
1355
01:18:08,640 –> 01:18:11,520
initiative that i uh you know i’ve been
1356
01:18:11,520 –> 01:18:14,159
uh this is 24 years with columbia
1357
01:18:14,159 –> 01:18:17,199
association most of those as an officer
1358
01:18:17,199 –> 01:18:18,400
and i
1359
01:18:18,400 –> 01:18:20,400
felt that this was important to make to
1360
01:18:20,400 –> 01:18:22,159
make clear
1361
01:18:22,159 –> 01:18:24,320
thank you so i i would like to note that
1362
01:18:24,320 –> 01:18:25,840
we’ve got three positions and three
1363
01:18:25,840 –> 01:18:27,600
volunteers
1364
01:18:27,600 –> 01:18:28,719
so
1365
01:18:28,719 –> 01:18:30,239
assuming there’s no objection you’re
1366
01:18:30,239 –> 01:18:33,360
just ignoring it
1367
01:18:33,440 –> 01:18:37,120
is there are there any other volunteers
1368
01:18:37,120 –> 01:18:39,360
are there any not really the point is it
1369
01:18:39,360 –> 01:18:42,000
so as chair of the board you need to
1370
01:18:42,000 –> 01:18:44,320
represent the organization and you need
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01:18:44,320 –> 01:18:46,320
to look out for the organization if the
1372
01:18:46,320 –> 01:18:48,159
senior vice president is telling you
1373
01:18:48,159 –> 01:18:50,560
that there is a concern based on past
1374
01:18:50,560 –> 01:18:52,400
behavior for someone being on the risk
1375
01:18:52,400 –> 01:18:54,320
management committee it seems to me you
1376
01:18:54,320 –> 01:18:56,800
should at least consider that
1377
01:18:56,800 –> 01:18:58,560
julie noted
1378
01:18:58,560 –> 01:19:00,800
so i will say this again we have three
1379
01:19:00,800 –> 01:19:03,520
volunteers in three positions
1380
01:19:03,520 –> 01:19:06,159
we have an objection so
1381
01:19:06,159 –> 01:19:07,600
is there a motion
1382
01:19:07,600 –> 01:19:09,840
to to appoint janet allen and dick to
1383
01:19:09,840 –> 01:19:12,159
the risk committee so moved is there a
1384
01:19:12,159 –> 01:19:14,560
second
1385
01:19:14,560 –> 01:19:16,080
actually
1386
01:19:16,080 –> 01:19:18,320
second chair’s decision
1387
01:19:18,320 –> 01:19:19,760
i mean because i’m looking at our
1388
01:19:19,760 –> 01:19:21,440
policies as the chair points board
1389
01:19:21,440 –> 01:19:22,719
members to the audit committee and the
1390
01:19:22,719 –> 01:19:24,960
risk management committee board members
1391
01:19:24,960 –> 01:19:26,640
may request assignment to either these
1392
01:19:26,640 –> 01:19:28,560
committees but the chair makes the final
1393
01:19:28,560 –> 01:19:31,040
decision
1394
01:19:32,239 –> 01:19:35,920
so it’s your decision eric
1395
01:19:36,320 –> 01:19:37,520
and
1396
01:19:37,520 –> 01:19:39,040
that’s certainly our policy and that
1397
01:19:39,040 –> 01:19:41,040
would be the ultimate decision right one
1398
01:19:41,040 –> 01:19:44,239
way to look at what eric’s asking for is
1399
01:19:44,239 –> 01:19:46,080
as janet has pointed out he’s got a
1400
01:19:46,080 –> 01:19:47,440
senior vice president who’s made a
1401
01:19:47,440 –> 01:19:49,360
recommendation
1402
01:19:49,360 –> 01:19:51,280
he’s got a couple of board members at
1403
01:19:51,280 –> 01:19:53,679
least who’ve uh
1404
01:19:53,679 –> 01:19:55,760
given a different opinion
1405
01:19:55,760 –> 01:19:57,040
so
1406
01:19:57,040 –> 01:19:58,719
maybe just sort of wants a sense of the
1407
01:19:58,719 –> 01:20:00,239
board to know
1408
01:20:00,239 –> 01:20:03,880
to help guide him
1409
01:20:04,719 –> 01:20:06,639
all in favor
1410
01:20:06,639 –> 01:20:07,679
mm-hmm
1411
01:20:07,679 –> 01:20:09,520
yeah
1412
01:20:09,520 –> 01:20:11,840
yes
1413
01:20:12,480 –> 01:20:16,840
i’ll do a roll call on favorite dick
1414
01:20:27,520 –> 01:20:29,120
dick you’re on mute
1415
01:20:29,120 –> 01:20:30,719
dick you’re on mute
1416
01:20:30,719 –> 01:20:32,800
okay okay
1417
01:20:32,800 –> 01:20:35,040
this is a new system here i’ve just i
1418
01:20:35,040 –> 01:20:36,800
finally learned the old system and now
1419
01:20:36,800 –> 01:20:39,600
we got a new one anyway uh yes i am in
1420
01:20:39,600 –> 01:20:41,120
favor of alan being on the risk
1421
01:20:41,120 –> 01:20:42,880
community well i think it’s all three
1422
01:20:42,880 –> 01:20:46,880
alan jones and alan allen
1423
01:20:47,040 –> 01:20:49,199
yes brian
1424
01:20:49,199 –> 01:20:51,760
all three
1425
01:20:52,480 –> 01:20:53,840
janet
1426
01:20:53,840 –> 01:20:56,400
i’m not in favor of alan being on
1427
01:20:56,400 –> 01:21:01,440
kevin uh all in favor the three
1428
01:21:01,440 –> 01:21:03,679
alan yes
1429
01:21:03,679 –> 01:21:05,920
bill
1430
01:21:06,080 –> 01:21:08,239
um i just got here i’m gonna abstain
1431
01:21:08,239 –> 01:21:09,760
from this one i don’t have a problem
1432
01:21:09,760 –> 01:21:11,840
with alan per se but i i just got into
1433
01:21:11,840 –> 01:21:13,280
this conversation i haven’t heard any of
1434
01:21:13,280 –> 01:21:15,280
this i’m going to abstain from this one
1435
01:21:15,280 –> 01:21:17,120
andy
1436
01:21:17,120 –> 01:21:18,880
no
1437
01:21:18,880 –> 01:21:19,760
ginny
1438
01:21:19,760 –> 01:21:20,719
yes
1439
01:21:20,719 –> 01:21:22,080
cherry
1440
01:21:22,080 –> 01:21:24,560
going to abstain
1441
01:21:24,560 –> 01:21:27,600
yeah so we’ve got one two three four
1442
01:21:27,600 –> 01:21:29,840
five i vote yes
1443
01:21:29,840 –> 01:21:32,719
i got six six four
1444
01:21:32,719 –> 01:21:33,760
uh
1445
01:21:33,760 –> 01:21:36,639
one two no’s and two abstentions motion
1446
01:21:36,639 –> 01:21:38,080
passes
1447
01:21:38,080 –> 01:21:38,880
so
1448
01:21:38,880 –> 01:21:41,360
janet helen and dick are on the uh risk
1449
01:21:41,360 –> 01:21:43,840
committee
1450
01:21:50,239 –> 01:21:51,840
last
1451
01:21:51,840 –> 01:21:54,400
last topic is iat likey could you give
1452
01:21:54,400 –> 01:21:58,239
an introduction to the iet
1453
01:22:01,199 –> 01:22:03,920
iit is the inner arbor trust it is a
1454
01:22:03,920 –> 01:22:05,520
501c3
1455
01:22:05,520 –> 01:22:06,639
in
1456
01:22:06,639 –> 01:22:10,679
columbia that
1457
01:22:11,600 –> 01:22:14,480
that does the uh programming
1458
01:22:14,480 –> 01:22:16,000
um
1459
01:22:16,000 –> 01:22:18,159
in symphony woods
1460
01:22:18,159 –> 01:22:20,400
and
1461
01:22:20,400 –> 01:22:25,520
also is in a transition between ca and
1462
01:22:25,520 –> 01:22:27,679
inner rubber trust based on an easement
1463
01:22:27,679 –> 01:22:30,880
agreement with taking over maintenance
1464
01:22:30,880 –> 01:22:34,960
and doing some capital investment work
1465
01:22:34,960 –> 01:22:38,000
that would be my summary
1466
01:22:38,000 –> 01:22:40,320
um eric before we move
1467
01:22:40,320 –> 01:22:41,040
to
1468
01:22:41,040 –> 01:22:42,639
um iat which is the next time on an
1469
01:22:42,639 –> 01:22:46,159
agenda can we finish the committees
1470
01:22:46,159 –> 01:22:48,400
um because what we still have is uh the
1471
01:22:48,400 –> 01:22:50,960
liaisons
1472
01:22:50,960 –> 01:22:52,639
yeah i was going to do the liaisons
1473
01:22:52,639 –> 01:22:54,320
after iit this is going to do those
1474
01:22:54,320 –> 01:22:56,159
after yeah this is the order
1475
01:22:56,159 –> 01:22:58,560
that showed up in my packet okay sorry
1476
01:22:58,560 –> 01:22:59,840
about that though
1477
01:22:59,840 –> 01:23:02,000
no that makes sense that a strong bigger
1478
01:23:02,000 –> 01:23:04,239
committee yeah this is what showed up in
1479
01:23:04,239 –> 01:23:05,679
the order i got excuse me isn’t it
1480
01:23:05,679 –> 01:23:08,719
what’s on the agenda
1481
01:23:09,760 –> 01:23:11,360
so i’m just
1482
01:23:11,360 –> 01:23:14,239
following the uh yeah we’re going off
1483
01:23:14,239 –> 01:23:17,440
i’ve been just following the packet
1484
01:23:18,800 –> 01:23:22,800
but if i’m out of order i will defer
1485
01:23:22,800 –> 01:23:24,719
well at the bottom of the same page that
1486
01:23:24,719 –> 01:23:26,800
has the appointments to the appointments
1487
01:23:26,800 –> 01:23:30,480
are the advisory committees
1488
01:23:30,719 –> 01:23:32,719
oh i see yeah because we usually try to
1489
01:23:32,719 –> 01:23:35,679
do is is get the boc’s
1490
01:23:35,679 –> 01:23:37,600
schedule so we know who you know who can
1491
01:23:37,600 –> 01:23:38,800
be because some of us might have
1492
01:23:38,800 –> 01:23:41,520
conflicts um and also try to get the
1493
01:23:41,520 –> 01:23:43,280
liaisons to the
1494
01:23:43,280 –> 01:23:44,400
um
1495
01:23:44,400 –> 01:23:45,840
the various committees so we get that
1496
01:23:45,840 –> 01:23:49,080
out of them
1497
01:23:52,400 –> 01:23:54,080
pretty much all of us get involved in
1498
01:23:54,080 –> 01:23:55,920
the advisory committee
1499
01:23:55,920 –> 01:23:56,880
whereas
1500
01:23:56,880 –> 01:23:58,400
we’ve got some people who are involved
1501
01:23:58,400 –> 01:23:59,840
already in
1502
01:23:59,840 –> 01:24:02,560
in the um
1503
01:24:14,159 –> 01:24:16,800
allocate board members to the boc in the
1504
01:24:16,800 –> 01:24:18,880
pa last year we just allocated them to
1505
01:24:18,880 –> 01:24:20,239
meetings and then if they couldn’t make
1506
01:24:20,239 –> 01:24:21,520
that one they could let you know and
1507
01:24:21,520 –> 01:24:22,719
then you could swap them out for
1508
01:24:22,719 –> 01:24:24,639
somebody else so that piece of it you
1509
01:24:24,639 –> 01:24:27,280
could just move on for next you know you
1510
01:24:27,280 –> 01:24:30,000
could just assign people not right now
1511
01:24:30,000 –> 01:24:32,560
send it later but then do the other
1512
01:24:32,560 –> 01:24:33,920
committees yeah that’s that’s what i was
1513
01:24:33,920 –> 01:24:35,199
actually planning on doing i was just
1514
01:24:35,199 –> 01:24:36,480
doing that later i was actually planning
1515
01:24:36,480 –> 01:24:39,040
doing iot before uh the advisory
1516
01:24:39,040 –> 01:24:41,120
committees but if yeah could i could i
1517
01:24:41,120 –> 01:24:43,280
suggest that it might be a good idea to
1518
01:24:43,280 –> 01:24:45,440
go with the iat because that’s a time
1519
01:24:45,440 –> 01:24:48,480
consuming and if two people get on that
1520
01:24:48,480 –> 01:24:50,719
they may not want to then be involved in
1521
01:24:50,719 –> 01:24:52,560
an advisory committee since we’re down
1522
01:24:52,560 –> 01:24:53,280
to
1523
01:24:53,280 –> 01:24:55,760
i think only seven of them anyway so if
1524
01:24:55,760 –> 01:24:57,600
they’re on the audit or the risk
1525
01:24:57,600 –> 01:24:59,920
committee or the iat
1526
01:24:59,920 –> 01:25:02,560
they may say whoa that’s a lot
1527
01:25:02,560 –> 01:25:05,280
plus the boc plus their other whatever
1528
01:25:05,280 –> 01:25:07,360
other subcommittees it might be on so it
1529
01:25:07,360 –> 01:25:10,480
does seem logical to go to iit next and
1530
01:25:10,480 –> 01:25:12,000
give those people a chance and they may
1531
01:25:12,000 –> 01:25:14,080
not deserve irrelevant going forward is
1532
01:25:14,080 –> 01:25:15,920
that well i i’m sorry i’m just
1533
01:25:15,920 –> 01:25:17,520
explaining how i see it and then they
1534
01:25:17,520 –> 01:25:18,639
can decide whether they want to
1535
01:25:18,639 –> 01:25:20,560
volunteer for a committee or they’re
1536
01:25:20,560 –> 01:25:23,440
saying whoa my plate is full already
1537
01:25:23,440 –> 01:25:27,040
it’s my two cents
1538
01:25:27,040 –> 01:25:28,400
are there
1539
01:25:28,400 –> 01:25:29,920
any objections with deviating from the
1540
01:25:29,920 –> 01:25:34,719
agenda to do iat now no no okay thanks
1541
01:25:34,719 –> 01:25:37,040
given and i appreciate that because like
1542
01:25:37,040 –> 01:25:38,080
he already gave a pretty good
1543
01:25:38,080 –> 01:25:39,760
introduction to iot
1544
01:25:39,760 –> 01:25:41,760
so given that do we have any volunteers
1545
01:25:41,760 –> 01:25:43,280
to join the iat
1546
01:25:43,280 –> 01:25:44,480
kevin
1547
01:25:44,480 –> 01:25:46,960
and dick
1548
01:25:52,400 –> 01:25:55,040
okay um there are two members and two
1549
01:25:55,040 –> 01:25:56,639
volunteers
1550
01:25:56,639 –> 01:25:58,159
and seeing no other volunteers
1551
01:25:58,159 –> 01:26:00,000
congratulations kevin and dick you are
1552
01:26:00,000 –> 01:26:02,239
provides to the iat
1553
01:26:02,239 –> 01:26:03,360
now
1554
01:26:03,360 –> 01:26:06,159
um and that’s a workload
1555
01:26:06,159 –> 01:26:07,679
yes
1556
01:26:07,679 –> 01:26:08,800
so now
1557
01:26:08,800 –> 01:26:11,440
board operations committee um there are
1558
01:26:11,440 –> 01:26:13,760
right now four board operations uh
1559
01:26:13,760 –> 01:26:16,480
committee dates they are um monday may
1560
01:26:16,480 –> 01:26:17,520
23rd
1561
01:26:17,520 –> 01:26:19,440
monday august 29th
1562
01:26:19,440 –> 01:26:22,159
monday november 28th and monday february
1563
01:26:22,159 –> 01:26:25,120
27th of 2023
1564
01:26:25,120 –> 01:26:28,000
what i propose doing is i’ll send out a
1565
01:26:28,000 –> 01:26:30,719
draft schedule and the intention here is
1566
01:26:30,719 –> 01:26:32,400
that every
1567
01:26:32,400 –> 01:26:34,880
member is on gets to be on the one of
1568
01:26:34,880 –> 01:26:37,120
these committees and if there are any
1569
01:26:37,120 –> 01:26:38,960
conflicts we’ll we’ll resolve them um
1570
01:26:38,960 –> 01:26:40,480
but i don’t think we want to play around
1571
01:26:40,480 –> 01:26:42,800
with the who’s got a conflict in uh
1572
01:26:42,800 –> 01:26:45,760
november right right the second so
1573
01:26:45,760 –> 01:26:48,000
i will send out that email
1574
01:26:48,000 –> 01:26:49,679
either tonight or tomorrow and please
1575
01:26:49,679 –> 01:26:51,440
respond to it
1576
01:26:51,440 –> 01:26:52,639
uh
1577
01:26:52,639 –> 01:26:53,679
last
1578
01:26:53,679 –> 01:26:55,600
uh next thing on the agenda is board
1579
01:26:55,600 –> 01:26:57,120
member liaisons
1580
01:26:57,120 –> 01:27:00,000
um in the past we had uh
1581
01:27:00,000 –> 01:27:02,800
i think we had what
1582
01:27:03,040 –> 01:27:06,159
11 liaisons but based on
1583
01:27:06,159 –> 01:27:08,560
the last meeting we now are down to
1584
01:27:08,560 –> 01:27:09,840
seven liaisons
1585
01:27:09,840 –> 01:27:11,760
[Music]
1586
01:27:11,760 –> 01:27:13,679
and these include the climate change
1587
01:27:13,679 –> 01:27:15,520
committee the columbia arts center
1588
01:27:15,520 –> 01:27:16,560
committee
1589
01:27:16,560 –> 01:27:18,159
the multicultural committee the
1590
01:27:18,159 –> 01:27:19,760
watershed committee
1591
01:27:19,760 –> 01:27:21,679
um the millennial advisory committee the
1592
01:27:21,679 –> 01:27:23,840
senior advisory committee and the teen
1593
01:27:23,840 –> 01:27:26,320
and middle school advisory committee
1594
01:27:26,320 –> 01:27:28,800
you have a question ellen yeah i don’t
1595
01:27:28,800 –> 01:27:30,560
want to relitigate it but i wasn’t here
1596
01:27:30,560 –> 01:27:32,800
and i understand that
1597
01:27:32,800 –> 01:27:34,560
we went from 11 to seven i’d love to
1598
01:27:34,560 –> 01:27:36,000
hear
1599
01:27:36,000 –> 01:27:39,600
it seems aquatics and sports and fitness
1600
01:27:39,600 –> 01:27:42,560
are such a huge part of what we do
1601
01:27:42,560 –> 01:27:45,800
i understand
1602
01:27:46,159 –> 01:27:47,840
but that’s been resolved at previous
1603
01:27:47,840 –> 01:27:49,760
meetings
1604
01:27:49,760 –> 01:27:52,080
25 words or less on why that’s 25 words
1605
01:27:52,080 –> 01:27:54,400
so they do still exist but they’re going
1606
01:27:54,400 –> 01:27:56,639
to be staff driven and board members who
1607
01:27:56,639 –> 01:27:58,320
would like to participate are more than
1608
01:27:58,320 –> 01:28:00,639
welcome to but we weren’t assigning so
1609
01:28:00,639 –> 01:28:02,480
the meetings will be finished their
1610
01:28:02,480 –> 01:28:04,159
minutes will be published
1611
01:28:04,159 –> 01:28:05,040
um
1612
01:28:05,040 –> 01:28:07,120
but they will be primarily staff driven
1613
01:28:07,120 –> 01:28:09,040
because they are aquatic you know
1614
01:28:09,040 –> 01:28:10,719
because they’re so integrated with what
1615
01:28:10,719 –> 01:28:12,639
columbia association with the operations
1616
01:28:12,639 –> 01:28:15,199
okay thank you you’re welcome
1617
01:28:15,199 –> 01:28:18,000
golf and tennis were the other two
1618
01:28:18,000 –> 01:28:19,280
okay so
1619
01:28:19,280 –> 01:28:21,040
given that uh
1620
01:28:21,040 –> 01:28:23,600
you want volunteers i went to volunteer
1621
01:28:23,600 –> 01:28:26,560
volunteers for the
1622
01:28:27,440 –> 01:28:29,440
volunteers for committees ginny uh
1623
01:28:29,440 –> 01:28:32,560
climate okay
1624
01:28:36,159 –> 01:28:40,840
sherry i’d like to volunteer for water
1625
01:28:46,480 –> 01:28:50,000
ellen multicultural
1626
01:28:55,840 –> 01:28:58,480
art center
1627
01:29:02,159 –> 01:29:05,280
okay we’ve got uh three more
1628
01:29:05,280 –> 01:29:08,159
looking for millennials senior and teen
1629
01:29:08,159 –> 01:29:10,320
i’d be willing to do the senior again
1630
01:29:10,320 –> 01:29:11,679
since i’m not on any of the other
1631
01:29:11,679 –> 01:29:12,719
committees
1632
01:29:12,719 –> 01:29:14,239
bill
1633
01:29:14,239 –> 01:29:15,600
i i’d like to volunteer for the
1634
01:29:15,600 –> 01:29:18,000
millennial committee okay cool thanks
1635
01:29:18,000 –> 01:29:20,880
you want to be a millennial again
1636
01:29:20,880 –> 01:29:23,280
i never was but uh i certainly would
1637
01:29:23,280 –> 01:29:25,360
like to chat with them i think they will
1638
01:29:25,360 –> 01:29:27,760
be fun he’s hoping
1639
01:29:27,760 –> 01:29:29,120
so now we got to
1640
01:29:29,120 –> 01:29:30,880
do any volunteers for a senior and team
1641
01:29:30,880 –> 01:29:32,639
yeah i’d be willing to do the senior as
1642
01:29:32,639 –> 01:29:34,560
well since i’m not doing the audit or
1643
01:29:34,560 –> 01:29:36,239
the unrest or the
1644
01:29:36,239 –> 01:29:37,760
you know whatever
1645
01:29:37,760 –> 01:29:39,920
iat
1646
01:29:39,920 –> 01:29:41,760
any any volunteers for the team
1647
01:29:41,760 –> 01:29:43,920
committee
1648
01:29:43,920 –> 01:29:46,719
anything once
1649
01:29:48,639 –> 01:29:51,850
brian volunteering for that
1650
01:29:51,850 –> 01:29:54,239
[Music]
1651
01:29:54,239 –> 01:29:56,400
brian i think you’re a mute
1652
01:29:56,400 –> 01:29:59,120
oh okay
1653
01:29:59,680 –> 01:30:01,840
[Music]
1654
01:30:01,840 –> 01:30:04,840
um
1655
01:30:08,239 –> 01:30:10,560
to be on i didn’t get to say what i
1656
01:30:10,560 –> 01:30:12,480
wanted to be on but
1657
01:30:12,480 –> 01:30:14,320
i think i heard there was a climate
1658
01:30:14,320 –> 01:30:16,400
change in the watershed already taken
1659
01:30:16,400 –> 01:30:17,760
care of can you
1660
01:30:17,760 –> 01:30:19,199
submit to be on those committees even
1661
01:30:19,199 –> 01:30:20,560
though someone’s picked to be on it or
1662
01:30:20,560 –> 01:30:22,639
someone did or do you have a sort of a
1663
01:30:22,639 –> 01:30:26,080
decide who should be on it so so
1664
01:30:26,080 –> 01:30:27,679
so the key thing about these committees
1665
01:30:27,679 –> 01:30:28,360
is anyone
1666
01:30:28,360 –> 01:30:29,520
[Music]
1667
01:30:29,520 –> 01:30:31,360
uh is invited to attend these committees
1668
01:30:31,360 –> 01:30:33,280
um and certainly if you’re interested in
1669
01:30:33,280 –> 01:30:34,639
this community they definitely recommend
1670
01:30:34,639 –> 01:30:37,520
attending attending those committees
1671
01:30:37,520 –> 01:30:39,520
okay but there’s no formal obligation
1672
01:30:39,520 –> 01:30:40,960
that’s what you’re saying
1673
01:30:40,960 –> 01:30:43,120
no um yeah if you’re if you’re not a
1674
01:30:43,120 –> 01:30:44,719
liaison there’s no formal you have to
1675
01:30:44,719 –> 01:30:46,080
attend the meetings
1676
01:30:46,080 –> 01:30:48,639
but you’re certainly welcome
1677
01:30:48,639 –> 01:30:51,120
if you are a liaison to that committee
1678
01:30:51,120 –> 01:30:52,560
you have to attend
1679
01:30:52,560 –> 01:30:55,040
you you should definitely attend yeah
1680
01:30:55,040 –> 01:30:56,960
yeah you should really yeah it doesn’t
1681
01:30:56,960 –> 01:30:58,800
always happen yes okay and yeah there’s
1682
01:30:58,800 –> 01:30:59,920
a question
1683
01:30:59,920 –> 01:31:02,560
did i hear that did i hear i think
1684
01:31:02,560 –> 01:31:04,800
sherry did she volunteer for that is
1685
01:31:04,800 –> 01:31:06,400
that what happened
1686
01:31:06,400 –> 01:31:09,120
yes um so yeah i’d be delighted for you
1687
01:31:09,120 –> 01:31:11,360
to attend also
1688
01:31:11,360 –> 01:31:13,920
so okay same with me on the committee
1689
01:31:13,920 –> 01:31:14,880
i’d
1690
01:31:14,880 –> 01:31:16,719
be great if you want to commit come to
1691
01:31:16,719 –> 01:31:19,199
some of them
1692
01:31:23,280 –> 01:31:25,040
but the real question brian is did you
1693
01:31:25,040 –> 01:31:26,960
also volunteer for the teen and middle
1694
01:31:26,960 –> 01:31:29,760
school advisory committee
1695
01:31:29,760 –> 01:31:31,760
i didn’t okay
1696
01:31:31,760 –> 01:31:33,280
any any volunteers for the teen middle
1697
01:31:33,280 –> 01:31:34,639
school committee
1698
01:31:34,639 –> 01:31:38,920
yes i will take that one
1699
01:32:00,710 –> 01:32:03,930
[Music]
1700
01:32:17,070 –> 01:32:19,840
[Applause]
1701
01:32:19,840 –> 01:32:23,280
agenda is the inner armored uh trust
1702
01:32:23,280 –> 01:32:24,480
selection of representatives to the
1703
01:32:24,480 –> 01:32:26,639
columbia association to the inner bird
1704
01:32:26,639 –> 01:32:28,560
trust
1705
01:32:28,560 –> 01:32:29,920
did we do that already
1706
01:32:29,920 –> 01:32:32,960
yes um i’ll just read the resolution
1707
01:32:32,960 –> 01:32:34,639
uh
1708
01:32:34,639 –> 01:32:36,320
the portion says
1709
01:32:36,320 –> 01:32:38,639
it resolved that
1710
01:32:38,639 –> 01:32:42,480
we have kevin fitzgerald
1711
01:32:48,080 –> 01:32:51,040
and dick bolton
1712
01:32:52,159 –> 01:32:53,600
are selected as representatives to the
1713
01:32:53,600 –> 01:32:55,199
columbia association
1714
01:32:55,199 –> 01:32:56,880
incorporated to the inner harbor trust
1715
01:32:56,880 –> 01:32:58,400
incorporated board of directors for the
1716
01:32:58,400 –> 01:33:01,679
period from may 12 2022 until their
1717
01:33:01,679 –> 01:33:03,600
successors is slash r selected by the
1718
01:33:03,600 –> 01:33:05,760
columbia association board of directors
1719
01:33:05,760 –> 01:33:08,760
second
1720
01:33:17,679 –> 01:33:21,960
by ginny a second by allen
1721
01:33:23,600 –> 01:33:25,679
are there any objections
1722
01:33:25,679 –> 01:33:30,040
nope nope motion passes
1723
01:33:36,080 –> 01:33:38,560
next we have a resolution be it resolve
1724
01:33:38,560 –> 01:33:39,920
that the board of directors hereby
1725
01:33:39,920 –> 01:33:41,760
reappoints the falling slate of officers
1726
01:33:41,760 –> 01:33:43,719
of the corporation effective may 12
1727
01:33:43,719 –> 01:33:45,280
2022.
1728
01:33:45,280 –> 01:33:47,920
licky boyd present flash ceo susan
1729
01:33:47,920 –> 01:33:50,000
krabby vice president and secretary
1730
01:33:50,000 –> 01:33:53,679
marilyn schwartz treasurer don van dusen
1731
01:33:53,679 –> 01:33:55,840
assistant secretary
1732
01:33:55,840 –> 01:33:59,360
so moved do you have a second second
1733
01:33:59,360 –> 01:34:03,159
motion by ginny
1734
01:34:10,159 –> 01:34:13,040
second by kevin
1735
01:34:13,040 –> 01:34:14,960
any objections
1736
01:34:14,960 –> 01:34:18,920
objections motion passes
1737
01:34:21,120 –> 01:34:24,480
next thing on the agenda is the schedule
1738
01:34:24,480 –> 01:34:26,000
so the following are the list of dates
1739
01:34:26,000 –> 01:34:27,920
for the board of directors work
1740
01:34:27,920 –> 01:34:30,800
sessions and meetings for fy23
1741
01:34:30,800 –> 01:34:32,480
we have today’s organizational meeting
1742
01:34:32,480 –> 01:34:34,960
on the 12th give a board meeting on the
1743
01:34:34,960 –> 01:34:37,600
26th of may work session on the 9th of
1744
01:34:37,600 –> 01:34:40,560
june board meeting on the 23rd of june
1745
01:34:40,560 –> 01:34:42,880
work session on the 14th of july
1746
01:34:42,880 –> 01:34:44,880
board meeting on the 20th of july
1747
01:34:44,880 –> 01:34:46,480
work session on the 8th of september
1748
01:34:46,480 –> 01:34:48,560
board meeting on the 22nd of september
1749
01:34:48,560 –> 01:34:50,880
work session 13th of october board
1750
01:34:50,880 –> 01:34:53,360
meeting on the 27th of october
1751
01:34:53,360 –> 01:34:55,600
board meeting on the 10th of november
1752
01:34:55,600 –> 01:34:57,199
another board meeting the 8th of
1753
01:34:57,199 –> 01:34:59,199
december work session on the 12th of
1754
01:34:59,199 –> 01:35:01,119
january board meeting on the 26th of
1755
01:35:01,119 –> 01:35:02,159
january
1756
01:35:02,159 –> 01:35:04,000
work session on the 9th of february
1757
01:35:04,000 –> 01:35:06,880
board meeting on the 23rd of february
1758
01:35:06,880 –> 01:35:08,719
work session on the 9th of march board
1759
01:35:08,719 –> 01:35:10,480
meeting on the 23rd of march
1760
01:35:10,480 –> 01:35:12,320
work session on 13th of april and the
1761
01:35:12,320 –> 01:35:14,880
last meeting is scheduled for april 27
1762
01:35:14,880 –> 01:35:17,880
2023
1763
01:35:18,639 –> 01:35:20,800
question um
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01:35:20,800 –> 01:35:23,280
i noticed that the boc is going to meet
1765
01:35:23,280 –> 01:35:25,840
monday may 23rd
1766
01:35:25,840 –> 01:35:28,880
to set the agenda so there’s thursday
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01:35:28,880 –> 01:35:32,000
may 26th it says that the annual reports
1768
01:35:32,000 –> 01:35:34,000
from the advisory committees are already
1769
01:35:34,000 –> 01:35:35,600
on the calendar
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01:35:35,600 –> 01:35:38,400
um one do they know that
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01:35:38,400 –> 01:35:39,840
that they’re going to be reporting to
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01:35:39,840 –> 01:35:43,040
the board first kind of can’t
1773
01:35:44,480 –> 01:35:46,560
uh jenny moves to approve the calendar
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01:35:46,560 –> 01:35:48,400
do you have a second
1775
01:35:48,400 –> 01:35:50,560
second
1776
01:35:50,560 –> 01:35:52,239
andy seconds it
1777
01:35:52,239 –> 01:35:53,440
now discussion
1778
01:35:53,440 –> 01:35:54,800
okay um
1779
01:35:54,800 –> 01:35:57,440
so what i’m trying to find out is this
1780
01:35:57,440 –> 01:36:00,080
looks like it says thursday may 26th
1781
01:36:00,080 –> 01:36:01,760
board meeting annual reports from the
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01:36:01,760 –> 01:36:03,280
advisory committees
1783
01:36:03,280 –> 01:36:05,679
is that locked in stone one do they know
1784
01:36:05,679 –> 01:36:09,360
that they’re reporting um
1785
01:36:09,679 –> 01:36:11,520
yes they know they’re reporting that’s
1786
01:36:11,520 –> 01:36:13,679
why we put it on the calendar we started
1787
01:36:13,679 –> 01:36:16,159
coordinating the date in april and all
1788
01:36:16,159 –> 01:36:19,360
staff liaisons to the fy 22 advisory
1789
01:36:19,360 –> 01:36:21,119
committee so not in the new structure
1790
01:36:21,119 –> 01:36:24,080
and the structure that existed in fy22
1791
01:36:24,080 –> 01:36:26,080
have confirmed receipt of the
1792
01:36:26,080 –> 01:36:27,600
expectation
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01:36:27,600 –> 01:36:29,600
of the annual report being turned in to
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01:36:29,600 –> 01:36:31,360
be posted in time
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01:36:31,360 –> 01:36:32,960
and are prepared to make their
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01:36:32,960 –> 01:36:34,960
presentations okay
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01:36:34,960 –> 01:36:36,560
so that’s uh
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01:36:36,560 –> 01:36:40,080
really a whole meeting almost
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01:36:40,800 –> 01:36:42,960
when it gets to boc we would recommend
1800
01:36:42,960 –> 01:36:45,920
it’s the totality of the meeting yes
1801
01:36:45,920 –> 01:36:48,000
in terms of time okay so the boc will
1802
01:36:48,000 –> 01:36:50,639
have a role in whether that makes uh
1803
01:36:50,639 –> 01:36:52,639
you know whether the entire seven
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01:36:52,639 –> 01:36:54,080
committees should be reporting or not
1805
01:36:54,080 –> 01:36:55,280
okay
1806
01:36:55,280 –> 01:36:57,760
thank you well they’ve all been invited
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01:36:57,760 –> 01:37:00,239
and expected to be given their service
1808
01:37:00,239 –> 01:37:02,960
for the past fiscal year so yeah like it
1809
01:37:02,960 –> 01:37:05,520
is certainly the board’s decision
1810
01:37:05,520 –> 01:37:07,600
um it certainly would be disappointing
1811
01:37:07,600 –> 01:37:10,000
if everyone was not invited to present
1812
01:37:10,000 –> 01:37:12,400
no i know and uh it is
1813
01:37:12,400 –> 01:37:15,280
only seven committees not the 11 or 12
1814
01:37:15,280 –> 01:37:18,800
whatever the 11 that existed in fy 22.
1815
01:37:18,800 –> 01:37:21,360
oh
1816
01:37:21,360 –> 01:37:23,199
okay
1817
01:37:23,199 –> 01:37:24,800
all right thank you i just wanted
1818
01:37:24,800 –> 01:37:26,239
clarification
1819
01:37:26,239 –> 01:37:27,920
any any other discussion on the agenda
1820
01:37:27,920 –> 01:37:29,520
for the year
1821
01:37:29,520 –> 01:37:30,719
well i just want to make sure i’m
1822
01:37:30,719 –> 01:37:32,639
understanding what i just heard
1823
01:37:32,639 –> 01:37:34,719
i i got that the seven committees are
1824
01:37:34,719 –> 01:37:36,159
going to have board
1825
01:37:36,159 –> 01:37:37,520
members
1826
01:37:37,520 –> 01:37:39,440
liaisons does that also mean that those
1827
01:37:39,440 –> 01:37:41,760
other four committees in the future
1828
01:37:41,760 –> 01:37:43,440
are not going to be giving
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01:37:43,440 –> 01:37:45,840
reports to the board
1830
01:37:45,840 –> 01:37:46,480
i
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01:37:46,480 –> 01:37:48,080
believe they’d still be giving reports
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01:37:48,080 –> 01:37:49,280
to the board even though they don’t have
1833
01:37:49,280 –> 01:37:52,480
a board liaison i don’t know
1834
01:37:52,480 –> 01:37:54,080
i don’t think so they’re stacked that is
1835
01:37:54,080 –> 01:37:57,040
not how i read the board um approved
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01:37:57,040 –> 01:38:00,159
changes uh it would be that as janna
1837
01:38:00,159 –> 01:38:01,840
evans just characterized that the
1838
01:38:01,840 –> 01:38:03,600
minutes are posted
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01:38:03,600 –> 01:38:04,480
um
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01:38:04,480 –> 01:38:07,199
and there are summaries provided but
1841
01:38:07,199 –> 01:38:08,639
there would not be
1842
01:38:08,639 –> 01:38:10,639
board presentations unless the board
1843
01:38:10,639 –> 01:38:12,639
chose to invite the group to present
1844
01:38:12,639 –> 01:38:13,840
obviously at
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01:38:13,840 –> 01:38:15,520
a board meeting at any point during the
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01:38:15,520 –> 01:38:17,199
year
1847
01:38:17,199 –> 01:38:19,520
thanks for the clarification
1848
01:38:19,520 –> 01:38:20,800
okay
1849
01:38:20,800 –> 01:38:22,880
any other discussion
1850
01:38:22,880 –> 01:38:24,320
any objections
1851
01:38:24,320 –> 01:38:25,119
nope
1852
01:38:25,119 –> 01:38:28,080
motion passes
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01:38:28,800 –> 01:38:30,560
so i believe that brings us to the end
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01:38:30,560 –> 01:38:33,119
of the agenda for the board meeting i’d
1855
01:38:33,119 –> 01:38:34,480
like to thank you all for attending the
1856
01:38:34,480 –> 01:38:35,520
first meeting of the columbia
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01:38:35,520 –> 01:38:37,119
association board of directors for
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fiscal year 23. um i’d like to please
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01:38:39,760 –> 01:38:41,920
welcome our newest members of the board
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and also welcome back to all our
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01:38:43,199 –> 01:38:44,880
returning members
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01:38:44,880 –> 01:38:47,199
serving on this board can be challenging
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there are times of disagreement
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and even argument
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but that is because we’re passionate
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01:38:51,920 –> 01:38:53,679
about this organization
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and passion about colombia
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more importantly serving on this board
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is a rewarding experience despite any
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01:39:00,239 –> 01:39:02,400
disagreements that we have
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we respect each other’s opinions because
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at the end of the day we’re all here
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01:39:06,239 –> 01:39:08,080
with the same purpose
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the betterment of our neighborhoods
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01:39:10,239 –> 01:39:13,360
our villages and all of colombia
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01:39:13,360 –> 01:39:15,040
the board and staff work with each other
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to provide recreational and community
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programming
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to maintain a strong financial outlook
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and to manage and preserve our open
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space
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space that is open for everyone to
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freely enjoy
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furthermore together we have a specific
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responsibility to work with our county
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leadership to ensure that howard county
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continues to thrive both now and in the
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01:39:34,560 –> 01:39:35,600
future
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01:39:35,600 –> 01:39:37,040
there’s a lot of work to do and it will
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01:39:37,040 –> 01:39:39,280
not all be completed this year
1891
01:39:39,280 –> 01:39:40,639
after all we need to leave something for
1892
01:39:40,639 –> 01:39:43,280
the next board to work on
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the important thing is that our work
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benefits our community
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colombia is consistently ranked as one
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01:39:48,880 –> 01:39:50,800
of the top places in the country to live
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01:39:50,800 –> 01:39:52,480
this is a testament to the dedication of
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01:39:52,480 –> 01:39:54,400
everyone here tonight and also the
1899
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dedication of everyone who works and
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lives in colombia
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01:39:57,600 –> 01:40:00,000
we are truly a special community because
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we are a garden for the growing of
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01:40:02,239 –> 01:40:04,000
people
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01:40:04,000 –> 01:40:05,280
with that can we have a motion to
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01:40:05,280 –> 01:40:07,440
adjourn so moved
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01:40:07,440 –> 01:40:08,800
do you have a second
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01:40:08,800 –> 01:40:09,760
second
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01:40:09,760 –> 01:40:13,159
meeting is adjourned
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01:41:02,480 –> 01:41:07,199
to order at 8 35.
1910
01:41:14,960 –> 01:41:19,239
yeah i will take roll dick
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01:41:30,560 –> 01:41:32,880
thank you andy
1912
01:41:32,880 –> 01:41:37,600
here jenny here sherry here
1913
01:41:39,040 –> 01:41:40,960
okay may i have a motion to approve the
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01:41:40,960 –> 01:41:43,600
agenda so moved second
1915
01:41:43,600 –> 01:41:48,719
jenny moves eric seconds any discussion
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01:41:48,719 –> 01:41:51,520
any objection
1917
01:41:52,800 –> 01:41:55,440
unanimous
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01:41:56,639 –> 01:41:58,800
i have approval of the minutes for may
1919
01:41:58,800 –> 01:42:03,040
- so i moved second
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01:42:03,040 –> 01:42:08,320
eric moves jenny seconds any discussion
1921
01:42:08,320 –> 01:42:11,119
any objection
1922
01:42:11,199 –> 01:42:14,199
unanimous
1923
01:42:15,840 –> 01:42:19,440
okay now we have the appointment of the
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01:42:19,440 –> 01:42:23,119
chair and vice chair
1925
01:42:24,080 –> 01:42:27,520
i move we adopt the resolution
1926
01:42:27,520 –> 01:42:29,679
this makes the chair in the vice chair
1927
01:42:29,679 –> 01:42:31,760
of this board of directors the chair and
1928
01:42:31,760 –> 01:42:35,360
the vice chair for the columbia council
1929
01:42:35,360 –> 01:42:38,960
andy moves al in seconds okay
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01:42:38,960 –> 01:42:42,000
any discussion
1931
01:42:42,000 –> 01:42:44,880
any objections
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01:42:45,440 –> 01:42:47,840
unanimous
1933
01:42:47,840 –> 01:42:50,840
congratulations
1934
01:42:52,080 –> 01:42:54,719
all right may i have a motion to adjourn
1935
01:42:54,719 –> 01:42:57,719
second
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01:43:03,679 –> 01:43:05,280
thank you everyone
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01:43:05,280 –> 01:43:08,440
thank you
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01:43:29,760 –> 01:43:31,840
you
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